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Underwhelming first draft of kitchen

15 years ago

I am somewhat underwhelmed with the initial designs that a KD sent me and could use some advice

My house was built in 1929 and I have lived in it for three and a half years. It is charming and inviting but the kitchen was a bad early 90s renovation. I want a lovely kitchen, not the dream kitchen, but something efficient and useful. I also want a powder room for the first floor (only bathroom is on the second floor) and a laundry room on the first floor. My architect has come up with a very nice design for the space, one that keeps to the spirit of the house and gives me some of the room that I want. There is an addition and the size and shape are dictated somewhat by the size of my back garden which is small and the placement of my garage. Most of the kitchen is in the new addition. I love the esthetic of Susanka Not So Big House

Remodel goals:

A really adequate cooking kitchen for one cook with good storage and efficient counter space

inset cabinets, soap stone counters, new floor for the kitchen which will be in the addition (possibly wood to match the rest of the house but not absolutely)

kitchen table space for breakfast seating and home work doing

refinish all wood floors on the first floor

new window replacements throughout the first floor

a powder room (toilet and sink)

a laundry room on the first floor

storage on the first floor (right now, there is no closet or storage space at all)

built-in bookcases/storage units in the living room and dining room

Our family:

We are my 10 year old daughter and myself (A grown daughter may move back home for grad school). I do all the cooking but my daughter likes to help and also likes to be in the kitchen when I am cooking. Right now, we have a white board set up for her in the kitchen so she can draw while we cook. A place for another white board or chalk board for her is important.

The way the house it set up at present, we eat all of our meals in the dining room. We would continue to eat evening meals there, but I would like to use a small existing kitchen table for weekday breakfasts and casual eating. I also like to entertain and would like it to be easy to have guests in the kitchen while I am preparing meals.

My daughter is on the autism spectrum and she is in an intensive therapy program that brings therapists to our house 25 hours a week. We also love company and our house can have extra people dropping by at any time.

Kitchen and Appliances:

My stove and refrigerator which are both white and a few years old are adequate for the present. To save money, I am not going to change them; however, I will leave room for a larger frig. I am hoping to find a used dishwasher also in white to last until one of the other appliances wears out or I find the money to replace all of them. I am looking for a white kitchen with soapstone counters (budget may intervene). The house is filled with white wood work. I need good lighting throughout the first floor and will be putting in some new lights and replacing what is here now (most rooms have ugly fans with can-type light that point directly down attached). When I moved in the entire first floor was painted a green-gray. I repainted the kitchen, but really find that I like the peaceful feeling of that green and will probably paint the entire first floor a similar color with a few accent walls.

Experience with a KD so far:

These are the first plans that the kitchen designer at Pro Build sent me. I went to ProBuild because my contractor works with them and offers a no mark up price on cabinets and countertops to his clients. I spent a long time with the KD talking about my ideas and picking out cabinets, etc. However, he did not use my ideas and frankly, this is the kitchen that I do not want.

A list of things that we talked about but are not included in the KDs original drawing.

1. pull out garbage and re-cycle bin

2. shelves on wall to the left of stove

3. use as many drawers for lower cabinets as possible

4. open shelves for microwave and toaster oven with drawers underneath

5. metal exhaust hood over stove

6. temporary shelving around old standard sized fridge (space for french door fridge)

7. one or two double hung 3 over 1 windows over sink that are counter height

8. "slot" in lower cabinets for a step stool

9. a cook book shelf

I would also like to maximize counter space. He has not included any more counter space than is what is in the kitchen now.

The double pantry looks too monolithic and at the same time fussy with four doors. Could there be two wider single- door pantries with a small coffee station in the middle?

I emailed the KD and asked him to do a revised preliminary sketches incorporating my ideas before we talk again. But I want some advice here, if you please. Am I asking for too much from a KD who does not handle only custom work that is probably out of my budget?

Please, some preliminary advice on how to deal with the KD. Or whether I should just look for a new KD? And whether I can get what I am looking for which is a more individual look for a budget of $20,000 for the kitchen. That is a lot of money for me but maybe it is not in the realm of renovation

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Comments (5)

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    20K isn't a soapstone and inset kitchen without a LOT of DIY work. Average kitchen remodels are around 35K and you're describing an above average kitchen. If you have to pay someone else to do this, you're talking a 50K kitchen as planned. And that's just the kitchen finishes without the addition. Plus you're talking adding windows, and a whole lot of plumbing with that new bathroom and laundry room. That's another 50K right there.

    My question to you is, if this is for something that you describe as not your dream kitchen, but just a "lovely" kitchen, then why are you pulling out all the stops to put in such expensive choices? Are you planning to live here beyond 10 years? 20 years? If you are planning on staying there an extended period, I understand choosing what your heart wants, but if you may move in 4-5 years, you'll never recoup the money you'll end up spending on this project.

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I didn't explain that correctly. The $20K is my budget for cabinets and countertop. The total renovation job is budgeted at $80K. I still don't know whether I can get everything I want for that and I am ready to scale back if necessary. I am having a hard time getting a handle on the possibilities of kitchen cabinets using an interesting design and within my budget. The soap stone is negotiable if I can't meet my budget ideas.

    Thanks for making me clarify.
    Suzanne

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Suzanne: I'd have a talk with your KD about all the things that were on your list that didn't get into the plan. Ask him why. If it was because of incremental cost or another reason, he should explain that. If it's because he either forgot or ignored your requests, that's an issue. Or maybe it's a communication thing, and you'll find that giving him a written list, as you did, helps. I think you'll both benefit by clear communication, even if it means that you're not a good fit and you need to move on.

    You have alot on your plate, and you need a KD (and builder, etc.) who will make this easier, not tougher.

    The cost for cabinets and counters depends a bit on geography and labor costs. We found our best price for the quality was using a custom cabinet maker, which surprised me at the time but is apparently not that unusual based on what I read here. So keep yourself open to all possibilities and do lots of research. Good luck!

    Oh, and re: the layout -- I'm no guru so I'm hoping the layout wizards will chime in!

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    You should be able to make your budget work, but may need to shop around a bit for a KD you feel more comfortable with; sounds like this one isn't it. We have an inset/soapstone kitchen that we are finishing up for just under $30K, but it required doing some things ourselves (flooring, painting, etc.) and looking for a *long* time to find the right cabinetmaker match. Cabinets + counters were $12K total (but our kitchen is 235 sf so not huge). All of our custom quotes were below the semi-custom lines for our kitchen, too; this might also depend on where you live and what the local labor market is like. Soapstone costs seem to vary regionally; for us it was one of the less costly counter options we looked at, but we also live very near one of the major U.S. soapstone places so there were no delivery or shipping costs involved.

    If you post a "blank" floorplan with additional details on adjacent rooms, you'll probably get some good feedback on layouts from the layout folks here, though. Good luck!

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I agree with artemis. Draw your "blank" space with all measurements, showing mandatories like where plumbing has to be or whatever, and give context with a floorplan of the surrounding rooms, and ask the forum for a layout from scratch. BTW the plan you posted above is pretty hard to read.