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Travertine and Floor Heating?

16 years ago

We have just ordered our travertine 12" x 12" floor tiles at a great price (through a friend who is giving us his wholesale price.) We will be instlling on a 50+ year old concrete slab.

I have read here that we should use Ditra underneath.

Now I am considering heating the floor under the travertie. Would we still use the Ditra? Which would go first? Ditra - Heat mats - Tile? (This is a DIY project.)

How much additional height are these additional layers going to add to our floor? (I am concerned about meeting up with the adjoining carpet in the rec room.

I assume the heating mats would not be installed where the cabinets will be.

Thank you so much for your help. We have a little over two weeks before the cabinets install and a LOT of work to go.

Comments (10)

  • 16 years ago

    I am using hydronic radiant heat under my travertine -- here is how it is setup in layers

    Travertine
    Thinset
    Durock
    Layer 1 plywood subfloor
    Layer 2 Plywood subfloor
    Slat Subfloor
    Staple up aluminum fins with tubing snapped into them
    Air gap
    Reflective insulation
    Fiberglass insulation

    Amazing it works as well as it does after having to go through over an inch of wood, but it kicks butt!

    I have the heating under the entire floor, including cabinets, but there is no food in them...

    -- Andyman

  • 16 years ago

    I believe dcwesley is talking about the electric heating systems for directly below the tile.

    Wires, Self leveling compound, Ditra, and then tile. Don't forget the thermostat sensor when putting the wires down! :-)

  • 16 years ago

    Using the self leveling concrete makes it an easy install. Just be sure you seal up any leak points before spreading it.

  • 16 years ago

    I will show my ignorance - leak points?

  • 16 years ago

    I don't know the details, but you need to read about using a heating mat over concrete. The concrete acts as a heat sink and therefore the heating is not as effective as it is over a joist/plywood/cement board type installation. I think there was alot of discussion about this on www.johnbridge.com. We love our heated travertine floors in our master bathroom - but decided not to heat the floors in our lower bathroom which were on concrete.

    We did put the ditra down over the concrete - it was pretty easy to work with! good luck with your project!

  • 16 years ago

    "I will show my ignorance - leak points?"

    The self leveling concrete is a bit on the soupy side and can find it's way through cracks or crevices in the floor (if not on a slab) or out through the doorway or anywhere it can flow if not sealed.

    Yes - heating over a slab you will lose heat to the slab. I'm sure Bill has some experience with that. Maybe you can put down some kind of a thermal break? Or maybe it's not that big of a deal?

    If I were you I'd check out the johnbridge forums for tile help.

    Oh and yes, you don't put the mats under the cabinets. I also recommend a programable T-stat for your floor. We have one in our master bathroom, I have it set to come on before we get up in the morning then it is off during the day, then on again before bedtime.

  • 16 years ago

    It's not that big a deal.

  • 16 years ago

    Whoops, my bad. I thought you were looking for options :) Still, heated floors rock!

  • 16 years ago

    can i barge? we're installing travertine in a mudroom w/electric matt - which will also house a pantry (food storage). so we shouldn't place the matt under the pantry cabs or under cubbies/benches? ours is not a DIY but i like to know these things ...thanks.

  • 16 years ago

    No, you shouldn't. I think you'll find once you see the bill for the heat mats (both materials and labor) that there's no way you'd want to waste so much as a square inch of it.