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Color Savants, please help

15 years ago

I am a total colorphobe. My big decision in my house has been between BM Cotton Ball, FnB Lime White and Wimborne White, etc etc

However, last spring i saw a home in a magazine that had a dining room that reminded me of my dining room. My DR has a wall of windows on one side, double french doors at both ends, and two large windows that look into the kitchen. It also has a very old corner fireplace, stone and old wood beam mantle. It may have at one time been an enclosed porch, it is about a half step down from my kitchen and has a slate floor.

Anyway, the room i saw in the magazine had a very similar feel. But they painted all the woodwork (mostly muntins!) a lovely grey-green-khaki sort of color. I think it actually makes the outdoors come in more, since the color is almost like camouflage, as opposed to the contrast that white trim (which we have now) provides.

I have tested 10 colors so far. But none of them seem quite right, and some days I worry it will just make the whole room dark!? (ceiling and waht drywall there is will be painted white, no window treatments)

Sorry for the inelegance of my post, but to see the room in the mag, scroll down past the kitchen shots (Hey, Lavender, now THAT is a nice blue, btw?!)

Would you keep it white or use the color in the mag? WHat color do you think it is?

PS I put this post in the kitchen forum because the space it adjoins my kitchen. ...Oh and because this is the best place to get ideas!

Here is a link that might be useful: Please scroll down past the kitchen to see 2 conservatory photos

Comments (27)

  • 15 years ago

    This is a shot of the dining rm in question. Would you keep it white or go with the color on the trim?

    Here is a link that might be useful: my dr

  • 15 years ago

    Not sure, but you could get there with F & B French Gray with a subtle brown glaze over it to tone it down. It depends upon your light, etc., of course. In mine, French Grey would approximate that color, except in the late afternoon (when it gets surprisingly bright). What a great house!

  • 15 years ago

    Try BM CC-520 Florentine Plaster. It is a hard colour to describe and will read a hint of gray green when placed beside khaki. It looks sharp and crisp against white. Just a suggestion. You can probably google it.

  • 15 years ago

    Sorry mtnrdredux, we cross posted and so hadn't seen your pictures when I made my suggestion. Against your floors the florentine plaster might be a little muddy. But, no harm in trying it anyway.

  • 15 years ago

    It's a lovely dining room as is, but I think painting it would make it even more comfortable, warmer and with more personality. I'd also paint what drywall there is...keeping it all one color will make it soothing, and as you say about the conservatory picture...blend in with the outside. Notice that there are no sharp contrasts in the the conservatory ...even the ceiling seems to have some grey/green tones (you could simply add some of the green you choose to white to get a white that blends).

    Not sure what color this is, but looking at the BM virtual fan deck, it would seem to me that these greens have somewhat the same soft green/tan/gray tones: Thicket; Croquet; Weekend Getaway; Cypress Green; tree moss; nantucket gray. Needless to say, monitors differr and it even depends on which part of the picture you are looking at: The color above the windows to me is distinctly more green with tan/yellow tones in it. Below the windows, it's a greyer, more blued, green.

    Either way, I think it will look lovely painted a color.

  • 15 years ago

    Definitely paint a soft gray green. It is impossible to know your light, but BM aberdeen puddy might work

  • 15 years ago

    No color suggestion on my part but I did want to say what a beautiful space you have.

    Regarding your inspiration pics....did you look on the 'credits' page of the magazine to see if the paint color is listed?

    Pepper
    ~ a colorphobe also. :-)

  • 15 years ago

    Thanks everyone.

    Yes TXpepper, and it is not in the credits (though other rooms are, hrmmph). I actually emailed the designer, so we will see.

    I have some great ideas to look at (I think the only one id already tried was Nantucket gray) and its good to know people are in favor of painting.

    Thanks again and for the kind words!

  • 15 years ago

    A punch of sophisticated color will be wonderful! I vote Ben Moore Azores for the drywall and leave all the trim white or a very light clean cream.

  • 15 years ago

    Not sure, but you could get there with F & B French Gray with a subtle brown glaze over it to tone it down. It depends upon your light, etc., of course. In mine, French Grey would approximate that color, except in the late afternoon (when it gets surprisingly bright). What a great house!

    I'm not sure how large kitchendetective's windows are, but yours are similar to what we have = lots of light. imo, FB French Gray is not what you are looking for. My island has a glaze, and it's not what is shown in the article (which I saved when it was first published).

    Here is a link that might be useful: island FG with glaze

  • 15 years ago

    Mtnrdredux,

    Be brave it is going to look fantastic. You said you
    tested 10 colors. Which ones?
    Were there any that looked close to what you want?
    The image in the magazine looks grey green but I wonder
    if it is more of a muddy green color like this.

    Alligator Alley Benjamin Moore

  • 15 years ago

    Hopefully you will hear back from the designer. My vote is for painted. Take a spin over to Farrow and Ball and look at their inspiration segment, you may likely find a few leads there.

  • 15 years ago

    mtnrdredux: You might also look at High Park...a bluer/greyer green. And though it's darker, I heartily endorse mistletoe...the bottom two thirds of my living room is painted it. The name to me conjures up a bright Xmas green, but in fact, it's a very soft muted green...very arts and crafts.

    BTW: I keep puzzling about your screenname. I assume it's a shortened form of something, but I can't quite get it...I'm dense about these things. Mountain something redux?

  • 15 years ago

    Don't know what the BM equivalent is, but Dunn-Edwards Shaggy Barked is very close. We used it on our outside trim and it's a light grey-green.

  • 15 years ago

    I LOVE your inspiration pic & think you should definitely go for the color! I was wanting something similar in our new sunroom/family room which is full of windows. I ended up doing a more muted version of what you are thinking, using BM Grant Beige as my starting point. It is a khaki/grayish/green - maybe not dark enough for what you want, but you should try it. All my windows look out into the yard also, so it's a similar situation.

    For our room I wanted the wooden walls to be a little lighter, so I used grant beige 1/4 strength, then on the trim used it 1/2 strength. We are not completely done, so I actually may do the last coat on the walls at 1/2 strength and up the trim to full strength. The backs of my glass cabinets will be the full strength.

    My kitchen island (at the other end of the new sunroom) will be BM Wildwood Crest (dark taupey grey-green). I am in love with this color! It is much darker than grant beige, but looks beautiful with it. It may be a great color for you to try.

    Whatever color you choose, I think you should paint the little bit of wall you have either the same color or maybe cut the color in half so that it's the same, just lighter in tone.I will post pics when the painting is done. Good luck!

  • 15 years ago

    Thanks, everyone.

    Mebry - Wildwood Crest! I used to go there when I was a toddler! Too funny, I must look at it.

    Dar5 - Ive never even heard of Dunn-Edwards - i will have to take a look!

    Melissastar - Our house we are renovating is on Mountain Road. My name is short for Mountain Road Redux.

    Never - I started with FnB, because the BM fan just scares me ---- too many choices, someone please edit! I am also guessing the paint was an FnB color, because all the other room this designer did had FnB paint. Hopefully he replies.

    Boxerpups. Here is what I have tried:

    Farrow and Ball - Ball Green and Olive. Too green and too light. Also, French Gray and Mouse's Back, just because I had them around, even though they dont have green in them.

    Ralph Lauren - Regiment Khaki. Love the olive brown quality of this, but it was too dark. Tried 75%; looked the same. Tried 50%, looked plain old gray.

    BM - Hampshire Gray. A contender, but I think it is too dark, too

    True Value - hey , i walk in any place now in search of color ... Hemingway. Too dark

    Allison - I cant imagine a glaze done on muntins? Your island looks a little blue grey to me, and the one other place i have a bit of color is a very faded blue grey glaze on the beadboard backs of my upper cabinets. Not sure how prominent it will be when the glass is in, as it is slightly wavy restoration glass. But since the two rooms are adjacent, maybe i should forget the inspiration photo and go grey blue instead of grey green. How was the color of your (very lovely!) island created?

    Still - is Azores blue-Y?

    thanks again everyone ... i am working with a decorator but frankly GW collective wisdom and experience is hard to beat.

    Here is a link that might be useful: corner fpl view

  • 15 years ago

    The BM Azores that I recommended is much more green than blue, but is definitely on the blueish (not yellowish) side of green. It's very sophisticated b/c it has quite a bit of grey to it as well. It's the third color I tried in my open plan LR, on a wall with lots of windows and white trim. It is amazing how much it dissolves the indoor/outdoor boundary. Also looks great at night. I think it's too dark to use without a lot of trim, but with white trim it is wonderful--has lots of presence, but isn't the least bit pushy. I wish I had a photo to show you, but I do not.

  • 15 years ago

    I found this link and all I have to say is WOW! It must be one of the most "colorful" of all the color links--a gazillion greens to sift through!

    Benjamin Moore Coastal Fog and Camoflauge are also 2 more olive/grey/taupes that are light but more neutral. The Coastal Fog in my kitchen changes with the lighting in the room. Evening - deep olive, and daylight can show more grey. LOVE these colors with the white woodwork!

    Your home is beautiful and I have always enjoyed reading
    your wonderful postings!

    Oh I hope this link works!!! Some of the pic's have popped off, but just scroll, scroll, scroll!

    http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/decor/gal111751313100.html

  • 15 years ago

    Your island looks a little blue grey to me

    The first time I photographed it with flash, people thought my island was blue. But in person, it's not blue at all. It's a green gray. I think you want a gray green. Main level guest bedroom, powder room, pantry and MBath are all French Gray and they are def. green.

    You could glaze window trim too, but it would be a PITA. I wouldn't want to do it.

    Here is a link that might be useful: house tour with green rooms

  • 15 years ago

    Pratt and Lambert has some nice colors too. Sadly, but uniquely, "that" color is going to be a chameleon to name. Khaki's can fall in to that mystic color and so can taupes depending on the base. Don't rule out greiges,bronzes, and pewters to confuse you even more. =)

    Have you been to Decorpad for viewing paint colors? They show paint colors in rooms based by color families.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Decorpad

  • 15 years ago

    Your decorator will solve this in no time.
    But just in case you need a few more green ideas,
    here they two.
    ~boxer

    Calke Green Farrow and Ball

    Leap Frog SW

  • 15 years ago

    If you have a really good employee at your local paint store, you can show him/her a picture and they can create for you. We did that with DD2's bedroom. Only took three trips to get it right. Have them use a small can of 'crap' paint - what he called it. Just right for samples, but not something you'd want to paint a room with.

    Kitchendetective, where can we see your kitchen?

  • 15 years ago

    Allison,
    We've done that, but it's hard because its just trim so you dont get a really good size piece of color, if you will.

    I think I just have to stop being so chicken. I'm emboldened that everyone agrees we shouldnt just leave it white. I wonder if I should have mentioned that we have ton of french doors throughout the house, and they will all be white?

    Anyway, I found another solarium that has more of a pearwood color, I may try that too. We are meeting with the decorator today, but I always try to do a lot of my own legwork because I am soooooo picky.

    Boxerpups,
    A little too green for me. Was playing with the BM visualizer ... kind of like Tamarind and Foothills.

  • 15 years ago

    BM 1509 Spanish Olive or 1510 Dried Basil?

  • 15 years ago

    I think a color would really warm your DR. Weather you go tan, green, blue - a natural color from outside that will go with your tile floor would be beautiful.

  • 15 years ago

    It is a pretty blue in the kitchen :)

    I think your dining room would look lovely with these paint colors...and I'd do them the same way as in the magazine. Trim, walls and beams in the gray/green and the ceiling in the soft taupe/oyster color.

    I know you've seen this before, but this picture reminds me of these colors, but I don't know the names of the paints, either. It is a nice combination of neutrals, though. Maybe you can take the picture in and try to color match it....but I'd pick a shade lighter than what they recommend, because it always looks darker on the walls...even with all that light!

    You know, this green almost reminds me of the color that wood fence rails are, when they put the green preservative on...it's such a pretty color for a year or so, until it grays out...almost like a wood stain. Maybe that will help you find a color to try to color match?

    {{gwi:1412554}}

  • 15 years ago

    And the winner is ...... Benjamin Moore Hampshire Grey. My DH and decorator and GC all like this one best. I like the shade, I just worry that it may be too dark. DH makes a good point ... he said " we have watched and seen that professionals make their share of mistakes. SO we will try it. If it's a mistake, we will fix it."

    By the way, I am very grateful and impressed that the designer replied to my email:

    Here is the reply:
    "After looking in our records, I have found that the color used was a Farrow & Ball paint, number 1, Lime White, but due to the lighting and photography, the color is much more similar to Farrow & Ball's number 18, French Gray. "

    Honestly, as someone who has her entire family room in Lime White, and several bedrooms with Lime White trim, I do not think it could have been lime white. But there is our old friend, French Gray!

    Anyway, thanks all.

    Here is a link that might be useful: this is it, but its much darker in person, and greener too