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Kitchen Reno Advice - Brookhaven/misc.

14 years ago

We're thinking of renovating our kitchen and having a hard time digesting the cost. We live in NJ, kithchen is approx. 432 sq/ft. We are replacing a tile floor in the kitchen, laundry room, foyer and PR along with the floor in the dining room, approx. 1,000 sq ft in total (replacing with Hard wood).

We've been given an estimate of about $78,000 which includes:

- Brookhaven Cabinets ($30,000) - with wood hood, To the ceiling with crown molding, new island

- Flooring demolition and install including moldings ($16,000)

- Granite countertops - approx. 87 sq ft ($7,800)

- Electric & Plumbing ($10,000)

- Fixtures (5,000)

- Carpentry/ Labor - (9,200) - remove closet, relocate pantry, install moldings, repair walls, etc.

1. Does anyone have experience with Brookhaven Cabinets. Does the price quoted above seem reasonable given the size of the kitchen? Are there alternatives to Brookhaven of equal quality for less?

2. The $78,000 does not include appliances. We expect to pay $10,00 - $15,000 on appliances. Does the overall kitchen budget above seem out of line? I'd love to get this below $80k. I think there is wiggle room in the Electric and flooring budget.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Comments (20)

  • 14 years ago

    Is the wood hood a "must have"? When we were remodeling, our KD told us a wood hood was a "budget-buster". How much for the hood...including not just the wood hood itself, but also the internals that you have to purchase to complete the vent hood?

    Would you consider a "stand-alone" stainless steel or similar hood?

    I do not know if that's a good price...that's something people from your area will have to answer. Price/Cost for just about everything that is obtained locally is a regional thing and those of us not in your region cannot really tell you if you have a good price (or not).

    Have you gotten estimates from other KDs and cabinet lines in your area? It would help you to get an idea of cost. Aim for at least three estimates...but make sure you are comparing the same design & work...i.e., apples-to-apples, not apples-to-bananas!


    Consider also looking into local cabinetmakers - sometimes they are less expensive. But, be sure you do all your research! See the thread linked below for some advice (it doesn't just apply to HD/Lowes).

    Here is a link that might be useful: Thread: ? about purchasing cabinets locally versus HD/Lowes

  • 14 years ago

    I'm not in your area, but it isn't shocking to me. To begin with, your kitchen is very large -- about 2.5 times mine. On top of that, you are taking the cabinets to the ceiling. If that means stacking, you are paying a lot more. I'm sure you are paying more for their crown too -- I did a crown to match the crown that had been there and was in the adjoining rooms then painted it to go with the cabinets. May or may not be possible for you, but I know our crown was pretty cheap that way (plus it solved the transition problem).

    I think you should be able to shave some off of all the categories, but how much or where would need more specific information. Your door style and finish can have a significant impact on the cost of cabinets. So can add ons like the organizers, lazy susans, rollouts, etc. Most can be done later or at less cost. The hood has been mentioned.

    I can tell you that Brookhaven are well made and have a good finish (just learned today that it is now a lifetime finish warranty -- used to be 10 years). The extra inch of upper cabinet depth is really, really nice for larger plates, serving pieces and even making one more row of glasses possible. If you want frameless, they have them, they are well made and they don't look at you as if you were strange for asking. You have the option of using Woodmode for options not carried in the Brookhaven line -- and if your plan includes some, they will run more. You won't go wrong with them, but you might have other options you will also be happy with that run you less. Just shop and compare. No substitute for knowing what you are getting and why.

  • 14 years ago

    Wow.
    I'd start shopping.
    Brookhaven is a very nice line, but all the things you're discussing can be had for less. But compare apples to apples and demand references that you can see so you can check quality.

    Another, radical idea:
    Join Direct Buy. They carry Brookhaven.

    We joined here in DC in late 2005. One month later we had a house fire. We were so grateful we'd joined, because we could never have afforded our fixtures, flooring, tiles, appliances, windows, doors, you name it.

    Over the last 5 years, when I've had the $$, I've picked up a few cabinets, a bed, and many cabinet doors.

    They also do granite and marble, water systems, decking, grills, upholstery, window blinds, hardware, etc. You dream it up, they probably have an agreement. You might want to take them up on one of those [ahem] exclusive invitations. You can save yourself often as much as 55%.

    These memberships are really only feasible when you have such a huge project. The nice thing is that at least then, when we joined, we could buy gifts for friends and family. It helps their buying power.

    Many disagree with me on this, but I can tell you they saved us $1000s, and continue to save me money when I need a big purchase. The way my house was rebuilt has this happening frequently, unfortunately.

    As I said, just a thought.

  • 14 years ago

    I think Brookhaven is on the higher end of cabinetry, but very nice cabinets indeed. I think you can get a decent cabinet for less though. Check out Dutch Wood near Harrisburg, PA. They are Amish cabinet makers, have a great reputation for quality and price from people here on GW, and do travel outside the state. If you can bring it up here, check out beaglesdoitbetter's kitchen...Dutch Wood did her beautiful kitchen cabinets and I think she said it was half of other quotes she got. We had just ordered our cabinets when I read about them here or we definitely would have checked them out. Also, do comparison shopping, even getting estimates on the better brands at Lowes/HD.

  • 14 years ago

    I think the $30K for Brookhaven sounds a bit high. Do they tell you what their markup is? I had Brookhaven in my old kitchen and was happy with their quality. I have Kraftmaid in this kitchen and am happy with them, and they were less expensive. However with Brookhaven you do have the options of the Wood-Mode upgrades, as mentioned.

    Do you have anything like uppers with glass doors? In my general experience with different manufacturers, a glass door on a cabinet triples its overall price.

  • 14 years ago

    We love our Brookhaven cabs... had them in for about 1.5 years. We got slab fronted Maple veneer on half the kitchen, (Vista style I think it is called?) and we did several glass fronted, and 3 garage styled cabs, and a custom built-in Bench with drawers on the bottom (Morgue drawers!!!). They were pricey, not gonna lie! But we wanted to use the design firm we got them from and they were Woodmode/Brookhaven dealers so we went with them. We love them and we're happy. Wouldn't change a thing :)

  • 14 years ago

    Thank you for the thoughts.
    @palimpsest @ hello nasty - there are approx 8-9 upper cabs that will go to the ceiling w/crown molding, 5 will have glass in the top and 4 will have full glass fronts. In total there will be 20 sq ft of island cabs and 28 linear feet of upper and lower cabinets. There will also be a couple of small cabs above the fridge that will have glass fronts too and a wood mantle above the range. There is also a cabinet style pantry. Does any of this change your thoughts on the $30k for just the cabs.

    Thanks

  • 14 years ago

    30K is an extremely reasonable amount for the cabinetry Especially for Brookhaven. They do nice cabinetry. Lovely finishes. Much nicer then KM.

    In your location, I wouldn't bet that the flooring and electrical can be reduced all that much. Kitchens are big electrical pigs and electrical is a big portion of the labor on any kitchen budget. 10K isn't unreasonable for upgrading everything. 16K would be high for a site finished red oak, but for a high quality handscraped prefinished walnut or exotic wood, it would be very ballpark.

  • 14 years ago

    We have Woodmode in the kitchen and Brookhaven everywhere else. They are very nice. Beautiful finish and just very high quality. But, for our next house I am looking into Mouser which I am very impressed with as well. I don't think they are available in all areas.

    Here is hubby's basement bar in Brookhaven cherry.

    {{gwi:1382520}}

  • 14 years ago

    We are using Brookhaven. I think they are high quality (not custom) If time permitted, I might have looked at custom and probably would be in the same price range or possibly even less.
    I think I will be happy with BH - price is in the same ballpark

  • 14 years ago

    We are in the middle of a kitchen remodel and the Brookhaven cabs are now installed. There was a mistake with the end panels for the island so we are waiting for those to come in. I must say, we definitely could have chosen less expensive cabinets, but these are beautiful. Quality, craftsmanship, and finish are wonderful, and the lifetime warranty can't be beat. My husband is extremely handy and is doing the entire remodel himself, so we saved money on installation, but your price quote does not surprise me. I don't know much about plumbing and electrical costs since hubbie did ours, but $10000 seems like a lot of money. Also $5000 for fixtures sounds way too high...I'm assuming these are light fixtures? You can get bargains on lighting websites such as lighting universe.com, etc. Google lighting and you'll find some nice sites. Also, you could get cheaper lights now and update later, whereas cabs and granite are staying. Good luck!

  • 14 years ago

    Should have mentioned that our KD recommended I order the glass front cabs WITHOUT glass, and have a local glass company make the glass. I don't have as many glass front cabinets as you do, but it is a definite $ saver.

    Also, can you do any of the demo yourself? Ripping out floors is a pain, but might be worth it.

    I bought my appliances separately, over time, and stored in the garage. I got great deals on a refrigerator and dishwasher on Black Friday, bought a floor model built-in oven that is in the island and will function as my secondary oven for $250, and took advantage of a 40 percent off sale at Sears. Don't be in a hurry to get everything at once. Shop around and wait for the deals. Granted, my appliances aren't super high-end, but they are all rated high by Consumer Reports. I paid around $6000 for a stainless French door fridge, gas 6 burner cooktop, 2 wall ovens, dishwasher and built in microwave. They aren't all the same brand, but look beautiful together. My philosophy was to pay what was necessary to get better quality for the things that were going to be permanent....cabs and granite...and save in other areas where I could upgrade later if desired.

  • 14 years ago

    Based on the details you are adding, I agree with hollysprings that the price seems on target.

  • 14 years ago

    Thanks for the feedback and suggestions. Very helpful.

  • 14 years ago

    I think your flooring price is quite high. I priced quarter sawn oak at $4.25 a sq. ft. for materials. It's about $1.50 a square foot to sand, stain and finish. If we make that $6.00 a foot, that means you are paying $10 a square foot for demo and install. Seems quite high. If you went with a standard oak it would be less. I am basing this on Long Island prices.

    Prices rise significantly if you use a wide plank floor. Is that what you priced? If not, you should get some more quotes on flooring.

    My price quote for Brookhaven cabinets was in the same range as yours.

  • 14 years ago

    vieirab, I live in NJ and am remodeling my kitchen. I am unable to decide between Brookhaven and Wood-mode. Based on the quotes that I got for both lines of cabinets, $30k sounds about right. Glass fronts and drawers seem to drive up the price significantly.

  • 14 years ago

    vierab,
    Have you ever heard of Green Demolitions?
    They have some very high quality kitchens at a fraction of the cost of buying brand new. Brookhaven, Wellborn to name a few are on their website this week.
    The proceeds from the sales goes to a charity.
    greendemolitions.com

  • 14 years ago

    Green Demo Store is in Fairfield NJ..........

  • 14 years ago

    I am in NJ too and am going with Dutchwood mentioned above. I have a lot of cabinets too. I don't think 30k is that unreasonable here. We have had Brookhaven for 15 years at my inlaws and have had no problems at all.

    Your flooring seems way high, but I don't know what you mean by moldings? The moldings could be driving up that price. I got 5" in floor, white oak for about $10.7 sf demo, install, stain and finish. Toe moulding should not cost 6K.

    Get an itemized estimate for the plumbing and electrical. And get a few estimates. We need to have gfi in most of our kitchen and the electrician has a set price that he charges per outlet, switch, power for appliances, cable, etc...

    I have over 50 linear feet of cabinetry and I am getting a very good price, probably very close to what you are paying per linear foot. But I am getting a lot of what I consider to be "extras."

    In my old kitchen, the painted finish was a 1/3 upcharge, the glaze was another 1/3 upcharge and the beaded inset was another upcharge. I don't know how Brookhaven upcharges.

    - My Island "front" is 105" x 24" deep drawer base cabinets and backed by 15" deep cabinets.
    - paneled DW, Fridge and freezer.
    - 4 uppers have glass inserts.
    -I have about a 60" decorative wood hood.
    -My desk with hutch has 2 more glass doors.
    -I have 9" spice pullouts on either side of stove.
    -Corbels on island, under hood, holding up valance, and small ones on desk.
    -Crown Moulding with egg and dart pattern
    -Door pattern is raised panel (to my dismay, bad last minute decision) with an egg and dart insert.
    -There is a large valance over the sink (7 ft?) connecting the glass uppers on either side.
    -The whole thing is painted and then a clean wipe glaze.
    -The end panels are all finished.
    -Furniture moulding on the desk and island.
    -Valances under the sink, fridge and freezer.
    -Sink is pulled with decorative stiles.
    -I did drawers mainly. I think I only have one cabinet that is a door base (other than the back of the island).
    -I have dividers in the top drawers and two garbage pulls.
    - my cabinets are beaded inset.
    -My uppers are only 42" high, another regret here, I wish they were going to the ceiling, but it didn't work here.
    -I am also getting two stained base cabinets for my mudroom 54" x 18".

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