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Which island plan do you prefer form and function

14 years ago

Well I think I have my kitchen plans figured out. I would love your opinions on my ideas for the island. I am including 4 pictures - 2 at 7'x4' and 2 at 7'x3'. I prefer the 7'x4' so that I have a bit more room behind my sink, but am not sure if it looks too big. (The living room basically starts after the window beside my fridge)

I also have 2 options for my sink - either on the left or right of the island. Does one seem more functional than the other?

I am thinking of adding 12 inch shelves at either end of the island facing the living room with 2 or 3 small chairs in between. Would that look too busy?

Thanks for your suggestions!

7x4

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Comments (16)

  • 14 years ago

    I'd like to comment but I want you to start over first....why on earth is the sink four feet across the room from the range when you ave a huge corner to put it into easily, thereby making the cooks job much more efficient?

    I'd out a small prep sink in the island and let the balance of the island do the work of the pantry. Move the sink to the corner and the dw to the right hand 27" cabinet space. Dishes stored above on either side. A beautiful light fixture above the sink and a shelf built into the counter behind to use the space efficiently. A fabulous faucet since you have open space above (in my plan lol). Pull out pantry cabs in the island will replace the corner pantry easily and you will never regret the large L shaped counter between the sink and stove.

  • 14 years ago

    Putting the sink in the corner instead of the pantry is a pretty good idea but I'm in the camp of those who think their pantry can't be big enough so substituting island space doesn't quite work for me and I can also see why you want the sink in the island with a view toward the living room. Also, not much of a view when standing at the sink if it is in the corner.

    Looks like the sink is kind of small at 24 inches. What if you centered the sink in the 84 inch long island (4 ft wide) and if sink had 30 inch length, doesn't these require 36 inch cabinet? (my newbie status showing here) which would give you 24 inches on either side of the sink - one for dishwasher and other side for the garbage and can you use the remaining 6 inch for a pull out for soap and stuff?

    Or better what about putting the garbage under the sink - there are several threads on the forum talking about this - I know that is what I plan to do. Some have posted very clear pictures of full kitchen garbage cans under the sink, including sinks with garbage disposers. So that would give you some nice 24 inch stack of drawers on the other side of the sink opposite the dishwasher and give it that nice symmetry that many find nice if you can get it.

  • 14 years ago

    But does one want to look at dishes while trying to relax in the living roomor dining room?

  • 14 years ago

    It took me a while but I finally understand why so many LOVE the really large kitchen sinks. It is because they do a fairly good job of hiding dishes from what I can tell. So for that reason, I would hope that ella70 plans for that.

    She didn't ask but I would try to move the fridge closer to the stove - probably put them both on one wall opposite sink and use other wall for wide but relatively shallow pantry (floor to ceiling cabinets) and and maybe counter space for gadgets, and/or maybe "beverage center" between pantry and living room for coffee pot/microwave and wine rack?

    I can't think of an optimum use for the corner except Pantry or sink. Both have drawbacks - always tradeoffs. My idea above doesn't really take advantage of the corner I know.

    Sorry I'm rambling but I think this may be one plan that would really benefit from having the "elevation" drawings and 3d rendering drawings that designers and Home Depot do. The Pantry in the corner may appear to be "looming". Might be better if it is adjacent to the fridge and/or some other vertical element.

    Seems like there is a lot of nice room but things are too spread out maybe. I had similar problems on my earlier plans but my later ones are really tightening up on the "triangle" and I like them much better I think but I'm still thinking.

  • 14 years ago

    I prefer the 7x4 island. 3 reasons--it allows for a row of cabinets on the family room side of the island for added storage space (you can never have to much storage space in a kitchen), it allows for greater work/counter surface (you can never have too much counter space)& the size and proportion of the island is a better fit in the room vs a skinnier island IMO.

    I prefer the sink to be directly across from the range--we have this setup and everyone kept telling me I didn't want it because I didn't have a landing zone directly across from the range--but it works fabulously. You & I both have plenty of landing space to either side of the sink as well as to either side of the range. Also, any reason in particular for such a small sink when you have so much space? It looks like a 24" sink. If it's you're only sink, and since you have the space, I would do no smaller than 33".

    What do you think about this layout? If you like, I can see about some elevations for you too.

    As far as looking at dishes goes--if you're doing an undermount sink, make sure you get one at least 9" deep which will actually be 10" under the countertop surface by the time it's installed. Lots of dirty dishes are easily placed out of sight completely in this scenario.

    Hope this helps!

  • 14 years ago

    Sorry--posted the wrong layout in previous follow up comment. Here's the right one...

  • 14 years ago

    Found a diagram on houzz that has the sink in a corner against a wall. Also includes a smaller prep sink on a smaller island - pantry could be to the right of the fridge where the double ovens are in the picture, maybe.
    [https://www.houzz.com/photos/thornlea-kitchen-traditional-kitchen-toronto-phvw-vp~81545-Kitchen-traditional-kitchen-toronto[(https://www.houzz.com/photos/thornlea-kitchen-traditional-kitchen-toronto-phvw-vp~81545)

  • 14 years ago

    Also, it looks like you have 2' of space between the cabinetry & the door on the range wall--any particular reason? If not, I would go ahead and extend the run of cabinets in that direction--here's an option for that using a 36" range instead of a standard 30":

    Have you thought about moving the fridge to the range wall? Here's my thinking on that--the door on the range wall opens in the direction of the kitchen-it has to "land" somewhere when open so why not let it land on the side of the fridge? That would also allow more light into the kitchen/family room area (visually opening the space up even more) from the window on the side wall. With the fridge next to the window, it blocks that light from fully entering the kitchen area. Here's a mock-up of what that configuration could look like :

  • 14 years ago

    Corner pantry with fridge adjacent - doesn't appear looming (IMO)

    [https://www.houzz.com/photos/lot-77-kitchen-traditional-kitchen-vancouver-phvw-vp~118338-77-Kitchen-traditional-kitchen-vancouver[(https://www.houzz.com/photos/lot-77-kitchen-traditional-kitchen-vancouver-phvw-vp~118338)

    Here's a pantry in the corner picture that has a tiny counter between the fridge.
    [https://www.houzz.com/photos/traditional-kitchen-traditional-kitchen-calgary-phvw-vp~48110-traditional-kitchen-calgary[(https://www.houzz.com/photos/traditional-kitchen-traditional-kitchen-calgary-phvw-vp~48110)

    I did a search www.houzz.com for "pantry in the corner" - (could also do "corner pantry") and came up with a lot of visuals you might find helpful.

  • 14 years ago

    Thanks so much for all you opinions! I really appreciate you taking the time to help me. I am a bit overwhelmed at choosing the right layout, but it is still in the planning stage so I have time to change it so that it is the best possible! Here are the links for my inspiration pictures. I tried to layout my kichen similarly. The sink in the corner was an option, but I really do want to keep the pantry if it will look okay. I love it because it will hold all of my food.. I really do like the fridge on the same wall as my oven, but liked having all of the cabinets near the oven for pots and pans. If you think that I will have a more functional layout with the fridge on that wall, I will move it! Would I just then have a few uppers and lower drawers on the other wall next to the pantry? I kept those few feet near the back door for my water cooler, but can move it to the other wall, since I will have more room without the fridge there. You are so right about the garbage as well. The cabinet under the sink is basically wasted space, so I will add a garbage in that cabinet.I will play with the planner tonight and post my new pics.
    Here are the two pics that I really liked originally
    [Description[(https://www.houzz.com/photos/arch-frames-view-to-kitchen-tropical-kitchen-charleston-phvw-vp~171163)

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    For the second link, I couldn't link it directly to the kitchen photo. It is the kitchen picture of that house!
    One of the pics has the fridge on the other wall, and it didn't look too bad, but I am not sure of the size of the room either..

  • 14 years ago

    ella-I really like that inspiration pic of the white kitchen! You could do exactly what they did on either the right or left walls on your right wall. It would be absolutely stunning!

  • 14 years ago

    thanks mydreamhome! I think I am going to use that picture to revise. What planner did you use? Your pictures looked great and really helped me. I used the ikea planner, but didn't like the pictures as much as yours! Thanks again for all your advice and I will post my new plans once I have tweaked them.
    As far as the sink goes, I have been contemplating a single bowl sink. I have a double bowl now and never use the smaller side! It is approx 23" wide..

  • 14 years ago

    No problem Ella70! I use SmartDraw for my layouts & elevations. It wasn't free, but it was easy & quick to learn to use (without having to read a manual) and it has paid for itself MANY times over. I figure since I enjoy working with it and my projects are over (at least for now), I might as well help others. Afterall, I did receive ALOT of help on my plans from other GW members. If you like, I can do an elevation for you too. Just ask.

    As far as the sink--we have a single D-bowl 23" wide sink in the laundry, a 33" wide rectangle sink with rounded corners as the prep sink and a 37" 30/70 sink in the clean-up zone. Like you, I have found that when one side of the sink is too narrow you end up not using it as it's more trouble than its worth. I could definitely make do with my 23" D-Sink as my kitchen sink, but even at a single bowl, I prefer the 33" in the kitchen.

    On the trash can location--under the sink works if you prefer a short single trashcan. Also note that anytime someone needs to throw something away, they will be entering the prep & cooking zone. Putting the trash on the end of the island allows for a short or tall trashcan, double can pullout if you desire, trash is still conveniently located for prep purposes, the prep/clean-up zone remains open and it is perfectly situated for an obstacle-free cleanup after meals. Here's a clean-up flow layout comparison for you--


    Just something to think about...

  • 14 years ago

    I have a vey similar layout. Corner pantry, stove on back wall and single bowl sink in the island. I have my garbage on one side of the sink and the dishwasher on the other. It works perfectly. I think it would be awkward to have the garbage and sink adjacent to each other especially if you scrape your dishes, rinse them and then put them in the dishwasher . Just my thoughts.

  • 14 years ago

    I am not posting to vote on sink location, but to point out an observation. Why do you have so many small cabinets?
    In a small kitchen, I would think you want to make the cabinets as large as possible to hold as much as possible. What would go into those 15" cabs flanking the stove? Or the 12" drawers next to sink?
    After taking into account the 3/4" inch for the cabinet sides, the 1-3" for the sliding rails, you're not left with a lot of space in those small cabinets.

    I had to give up a lot of symmetry for increased storage in my kitchen, but boy, do I love my 36" drawers!

    Just my thougths..

    Amanda

  • 14 years ago

    Thanks again! mydreamhome, your layout is awesome! Thank you. My only question would be the position of the garbage. The one I am getting is 18" wide. The rest of my cabinets that I would add (facing the living room) would be 12" wide. How would I finish that off? Would that still look good? I will definitely look into a larger sink. Thanks.
    I am going to purchase that software and play with it this weekend. I will post my layout to show you when I am done. Again, thank you!!
    Three bees, thanks! I was still a bit worried about how big the pantry would look, but I am feeling much better about it, especially after all the wonderful suggestions given here!
    Amanda - I am going to change the size of the cabinets by the stove. I also want wider drawers for my pots and pans. I actually received my finished house plans today, and am able to push both the window and door over a bit, giving me a bit of room to lengthen the run of cabinets.

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