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Design and floorplan discussion...

19 years ago

A humble little ole ranch home, I know. Here is a link to a few photos that start with the homes current design, a common ridge with a 5' bump out for a narrow (19') 2 car garage.

I had a few issues driving the proposed changes. First the kitchen and mst.BR/bath needed to be larger and upgraded. This is refered to as the "southwest wing" (back of the home), and has been engineered and permitted. The width of the addition (26ft) is the same as the main living area so that the perpendicular ridges intersect with no perception of an add-on.

Secondly, the garage was inadequate for a two car, at 19' wide with a column in the center. I also have a dislike of large ominous garages in the front (subjective I know), and was wanting to minimize it's impact. I decided a 14'x26' single car with a 9' door would serve me well and allow the current forward ominous hip to be removed. This design will neccesitate the laundry and hot water tank being removed from the garage.

Thirdly, The entry (or lack-of) into the living rm and in the center of the home, was both un-inviting and disliked/awkward. After many sketches, I came up with the "green highlited" addition outlined on the floorplan photo. This adds 6' to the bedroom wing (south side) allowing a laundry rm between the BR's and main bath (laundry needed a "new" home from the garage). It added eight feet to the area in-front of the living rm (entry area), as that wall was recessed into the home 2' creating a 4' porch/overhang at the entry. I once again used the 26' living area width for the this proposed front bump-out width, so the ridges would line up. To give a little definition, I show a set-back (part of front corner BR) on the new front where the corner BR is. This would mean the eave from the hip roof would have a 4' overhang in-front of that BR, and only 2' in-front of the entry/living area. The hip roof would also be framed to have a 4' overhang in-front of the new entry facing North (view "A").

Lastly, a window theme that would tie things in, or atleast be fitting for the new structure. I have 5 designs I played with on the front of the home and am not convinced any of them "work". More than likely I just need some sense of direction or confirmation one way or the other.

I'm not entirely happy with the mst.bath layout either.

The logistics of posting photos has been an interesting undertaking, certainly. I welcome any feedback or propmting, even if its just saying "your nuts"!

Thank you for your time.

Comments (9)

  • 19 years ago

    Sorry, here is the photo link!

    Here is a link that might be useful: Ranch home link

  • 19 years ago

    Some more points, Only the front of the home has any encroaching eyeball's, which happens to be from a home directly across the street that has two picture windows facing toward the home! The bedroom wing along the southside has a nice open southerly exposure. That south side wall can also serve as a place for an egress window to the front corner BR if a window design is chosen where one is not (probably preferable?) placed on the front west facing wall, as I have drawn in a couple sketches with transom windows. The current entry door faces towards the west as well and takes a beating from the exposure. Another reason I sort-of like the idea of a new entry having the door face toward the drive entrance (north).

    I would really like to add a masonry chimney back into the home, maybe in the middle of the foorplan to give things some needed detail and texture, but where?

    The structure is very tough to add an extra level of detail to, but considering all phases of the home are being re-done, I want to try. This home has major location apeal and is worthy of the investment.

  • 19 years ago

    Let's try this... On the floorplan, pink=old/original and green=new/proposed. The squigly lines are arrows that are indicating either "load bearing" or a wall to be removed for the new proposed floorplan. Rooms on the north side of drawing starting at the mst.bath are BR, main bath, laundry, BR in front corner.

    {{!gwi}}

  • 19 years ago

    I'm really trying to figure this out, but it just isn't coming to me. Maybe I just don't have the imagination for this.
    I can't figure out anything in the bottom part of the picture, such as where the garage door and front door are and any other bedrooms.
    It looks like you are only keeping a fraction of your existing walls, and isn't this going to need a new roof? So I'm already thinking, tear this down and start from scratch.
    So my only comment is that in the kitchen, I would add a prep sink on the east end of the island. Otherwise you're going to be carrying food all the way across the kitchen to wash and back to the island to prep (because I don't see a lot of counter space) and then turn around to cook. I don't see a dishwasher so think that your dirty dishes & pots & pans will take up most of that corner counter.
    Anyway, good luck.
    R/
    Lisa A.

  • 19 years ago

    c9pilot...I have not been very clear in what is depicted, nor did I label details, my bad. This drawing is high-lighting the floorplan of the existing structure and some fundamental changes I have proposed to the structure. Sorta wanted to get those decided on before going on to other interior details, though certainly it all needs to be considered in order to tie-in.

    The structure is outlined in Pink=old/original and green=new/proposed. The "new" proposal (green outline) is showing the old double car garage being reduced to a single car garage, and a hip roof bump-out added on the front of the home (lower portion of drawing). The new bump-out adds 8' for an inside entry area and 6' to the BR wing on the right. This allows the BR to be brought forward and have a laundry room added between the main bath and the front BR. The rooms on the right side starting below the mst.bath are a BR, main bath, laundry room, and front BR. The large area in the center (17.5'x26') would be considered the living room. Total new "proposed" living area would be 1660 sq.ft.

    My intentions were to generate a discussion on how the "proposed" changes would be percieved by others from both a live-ability and aesthetic design standpoint. This home was a candidate for a tear down, though I have chose to take a different route and work with-in the parameters of the current structure and boundary set-backs. The roof is only hand framed 2x4's and covers about 1250 sq.ft., pretty small and easy to deal with.

  • 19 years ago

    I was able to find a respected architect who makes house calls. He was instantly able to understand the many issues concerning property access, site orientation, surrounding environment, etc. He even read me fairly well after a short conversation and a walk-about.

    The homes garage needs to be made smaller because of a set-back encroachment, aside from my own dislike for street facing ominous garages.

    The privacy and views because of an elevation drop are toward the southeast-south. That orientation would also provide a nice southerly exposure in the winter when the sun is low in the southern horizon. Unfortunatley the homes public areas, kitchen, dining, and living areas, are not taking any advantage of that. No fun sitting in a large living area looking at four walls unless you are nintendo junkie (his words). So looking at doing something better, not just different, will involve a total "flip" of the homes floorplan. It was dicussed it would be nice to atleast get part of the kitchen and living area over to the south side of the home. That would require the bathrooms, laundry and atleast one bedroom to be moved toward the garage. It would very nice if the kitchen could still interact with the back yard which is outside the north and east wall of the kit/din area.

    It was aknowledged that the roof would not be a big deal to replace and I expect/want to do that. I think I have resigned myself to accept the 8' walls and 5/12 roof so as much of the structure as possible could stay. It was also talked about using trusses on both ends of a new east-west ridge (instead of the current north-south) and hand-framing between them to vault the ceiling and maybe add clearstory windows over a new living area along the south side wall.

    While enertained at my effort with a new entry and bumping out the front wall for a laundry room, he did not feel it addressed either well enough to go through the effort. I liked his style and candor. It was just a couple hours of consultation with nothing else planned.

    So now that my mind is grasping at changing direction and entertaining another set of drawings, I'm whooped. I'm open for talking points or ideas if anyone see's something to start from...TIA.

  • 19 years ago

    I am ready to explore some other options. One of which would be to add a second story (near 500sq.ft.) to the existing structure. The current homes foundation and newly added foundation in the back meet engineering for a two story home.

    The north side existing garage wall still needs to be moved right 5' to the proposed single car dimension, (green line). The front, west side, of the home would stay as existing at the "pink" wall lines. This basically makes the structure a "L" with the front leg 46' and side leg 51' long. Both legs are 26' wide. That would make the only difference between the two leg's length 5'. It is like a square divided in to 4 equal pieces, missing the left rear piece.

    Can anyone give me a sense of direction before sketching if this existing floorplan would more conducive to one particlular style over another for a second story? Im not set on a style such as prairie or cottage etc. But am intersted in a particular build if it's more efficient to build.

    My first thoughts are to try and design the second story by matching "one" of it's vertical wall plane's up with either the front "L" (exterior walls) or the rear "L" of the existing structure. I'm enclined to go to the back wall's to give some depth from the front view with the addition being set-back from the front walls and let a lower hip roof off the wall plane in the rear, maybe double as cover for a back porch, very prairie like. Am I making any sense?

    Mr.Architect wanted 10K to proceed :O

  • 19 years ago

    I am having trouble understanding one thing: The garage, assuming you didn't mind a two-car wide door[s], still needs to be moved back, on an existing structure?? If you can get away with keeping that structure intact, why not just remove extra wide garage door and replace with a 9' wide and perhaps some windows? Unless you are legally forced to reduce that structure, why lose it?

    Also, do you really want a master bedroom right off the kitchen?

  • 19 years ago

    amtaustin, thanks for looking...the floorplan with mst.BR and kitchen shown, was laid out attempting to work with the existing structure/floorplan. It was a series of comprimises that are know being scrapped in favor of a whole house re-do. The garage does need to be narrower to accomadate an easement. Moving the front wall plane "back", was my attempt to lessen the garages prominance on the front of structure. The current garage is 30' deep.

    I am now researching designs for a whole house remodel and adding a second addition. I originally was steadfast on not having two go 2 stories for an additional 400-600sq.ft. But it is very obvious after much effort that kind of addition on the single level structure will be both very expensive and not be very pleasing. I posted a sketch on the building forum with a second story added on the front view, for discussion.