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Semi-Pro Kitchen Layout Help

14 years ago

I hope to become friends with all of you experts in the coming months (years!?) as I've been haunting your forums for top-notch advice for the last few months and we're just closing on a new home. I am beseeching you for help with layout design of the kitchen. The home was constructed at the height of the real estate boom, and when the market crashed, the previous owner ran out of $. Therefore it's unfinished, and much of what is finished, structure aside, will be demo'ed.

It's a great architectural space- all copper sided with a living roof, a tree spanning from the living room floor to the vaulted ceiling 2.5 stories up, etc. I have a hard time explaining my style- our current home is hypermodern, all black, white and gray (except for my chartreuse kitchen), but this is a question of layout. This new home won't support that stark palette anyway, what with all the wood, so I'm thinking industrial steampunk meets Alice in Wonderland meets the future in terms of finishes.

I spend 8-14 hours a day in the kitchen as a professional recipe developer and food writer. It is by far the most important room in the house to me, and I value a functional kitchen above all. I live with my husband and toddler (no plans for more). We entertain virtually nightly- someone has to eat all that food- on a small, 6-8 person scale, and twice a month we host 20-100+ ppl events. My culinary style is Little House on the Prairie meets Ferran Adria. In other words I make a lot from scratch (we're moving to this 5 acre lot so I can raise sheep, goats and chickens), but I embrace cooking with an immersion circulator, combi oven, and other modernist techniques. I am half science, half intuition and all soul in the kitchen. If none of this makes sense, check the about me section on my website for clarity: http://www.saltyseattle.com/about/ .

I teach cooking classes out of my home, so accessibility (especially in the pasta-making/bread/dough zone) is important. I love the idea of this 8' x 3' vintage baking station:



but because of the backsplash lip, I'm not sure it makes sense to put it in the kitchen as it can only be accessed on one side and while 8' seems like a lot for a baking station, it's not if 3 people are working at it. I REALLY want to figure out a way to incorporate this baking station, however, as I love the pull-out flour drawers (I now consider them a non-negotiable need).

In looking at the cad drawings for the kitchen (below), nothing is immovable save the thin wall in the middle and the window locations. The whole house is very open floorplan with few closets. There is no existing pantry in the kitchen, but I need A LOT of storage. I also need the following appliances out on the countertops at all times as I don't have the patience, or strength in some cases, to put them away: stand mixer, ice cream maker, meat slicer, immersion circulator (which will likely reside near a bar sink so it can be plopped down in the sink for use), cryovac, food processor, blender, juicer, spice grinder, precision scale.

I kind of want to do two islands with the potential for bar seating near each, with one being the range oven zone and one being the pasta/baking zone, as I think this will facilitate teaching and entertaining. I am leaning toward one main sink (under the kitchen window) and two bar sinks, one for each island. If the kitchen needs to stretch into the rectangular room to the left on the drawing that is toward the bathroom and laundry room, so be it, as I can already tell that is kind of dead space, although it would make the kitchen somewhat difficult to cross from end-to-end if it were that large. Perhaps that is for storage, or as a resting place for that awesome baking table, although it would be far away from the baking station in terms of storing flour there and needing to track it back closer to the core.

I'm not sure what beverage centers and snack centers are, although there will probably be a wine cave under the stairs (just west of the kitchen off the living room). We are thinking of locating the bar (speakeasy) in the round room you see on the cad drawing and having it be accessible via secret door, though this isn't set in stone.

Here's the appliance and needs list:

1. Thermador Range/Oven 48" with combi: http://www.appliancesconnection.com/i202956-thermador-prd48jdsgu.html?ref=rap&mkwid=s5zbf5xvD&pcrid=16770592656&KW=prd48jdsgu

2. Miele built-in deep fryer: http://www.amazon.com/Miele-KM403-CombiSet-Electric-Boiler/dp/tech-data/B000VYZX34

3. Electrolux all fridge and Electrolux all freezer http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Electrolux-Stainless-Steel-Refrigerator-Freezer-Combo-with-Trimkit-/120831926973?pt=Refrigerators&hash=item1c2224e2bd

4. Thermador dishwasher http://www.thermador.com/dishwashers/built-in-dishwashers/dwhd650jfm-

5. A large custom hood (the existing venting for it is near the garage- may be tricky to move that)

6. Some kind of additional wine fridge gadget under counter for chocolate block and various oils storage

7. Built-in rods for hanging pasta sheets (near baking zone)

8. Roll and cutter for polyvinyl plastic wrap

9. Storage for sheeted aluminum foil and parchment

10. Two storage zones for sheet pans (one near baking, one near cooking)

11. Flour storage for six 50# bags of flour at any given time, plus additional smaller bags

12. Garbage/recycling/compost solution (I waffle re built in or external)

13. Cooling racks

14. Pot filler

15. Wine glass storage, pot and pan storage, nesting bowl storage, photo prop storage

16. A whole lotta lighting. Tons.

17. Hidden microwave (it only gets used to melt butter. Pretty rarely)

18. Enough counter space for all those appliances but still plenty of space to work. Perhaps a way to make appliances look halfway decent since they're always on display

19. Room to grow. I fill spaces quickly.

20. A built-in tandoor is a wish-list item, but the outdoor pizza oven may have to do for now. Also a zone for cryo-frying meat post-sous vide is wish-list.

21. One giant induction burner or two smaller ones in addition to the gas range is also wish-list.

The countertops will likely be stainless steel and caesarstone. The cabinets will be reclaimed wood and more stainless. I am not averse to open cabinets. I love the peg board in my existing kitchen. Again, I like a functional, accessible, borderline professional kitchen and have very little interest in aesthetics in a traditional sense.

I am not delicate in any way. Feel free to eviscerate my ideas, suggest new ones, and state things bluntly. I'm here because I want all the advice I can possibly get before presenting my layout to the designers and contractors. I don't want to forget anything. I really appreciate any and all input you are willing to share. If you ever find yourself near Seattle, I'll gladly cook for you! Thank you for taking the time to read this lengthy diatribe. My kitchen (lifeblood!) is in your hands. Plans, both kitchen detail and ground floor context:

Comments (13)

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Oh, we are going to get along just fine. ;)

    Please post pictures of the inside of the house. We thrive on photos here.

    Welcome aboard. Your kitchen is going to be fun. For all of us.

    Bee

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Congratulations on your new home. It's awesome and very unique. The only think that I can think of at this point is I would consider getting a restaurant style dishwasher and sink combo. If you are going to be doing that much cooking you will also have tons of dishes and cookware to wash. I realize you probably already know this:) Can't wait to see more of your home.

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Oh....are you this Salty Seattle?

    http://www.saltyseattle.com/about/

    Follow your tweets and blog. What a cool house to transform!

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    This is going to be fun!

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    rhome410 -

    I will see what I can do about getting the graph paper plan to you asap- it's a bit faint, but that coupled with the cad should provide plenty of dimensions. Yes, both of the walls you mentioned are load-bearing (driving me crazy), but I guess I'm fortunate that's all I have to work around, right?

    I don't care if the kitchen is in the defined area. In fact I intend to take up that rectangular room toward the bathroom for sure. I suppose I should have mentioned that I view the round (10pp) dining table as leading into the living room adjacent to the stairs (and where the wine storage will be).

    In terms of my own (still very malleable) ideas, I thought the island with the range etc would look out toward the LR and the pasta/baking land would be parked on an island veering toward the bathroom. Main sink under existing kitchen window.

    I will have a second walk-in esque fridge in the garage (loud and commercial)so not worried about squeezing it in kitchen. In terms of oven, I really want a commercial combi oven, but am fast giving up on it because a. it's huge, b. it's wildly expensive, & c. it makes hooding that cooking island pretty ridiculous as I'd need a span of like 130" which is unsightly. Thus, for now, I'm going to content myself with the 48" and plan to supplement with the pizza oven and my dream-of-all-dreams tandoor. I'm actually not super oven-heavy anyway, what with doing a ton with sous vide and being very heavily pasta focused. YOu've already got me thinking- thanks for your input!! I hope I replied to you correctly, there doesn't seem to be a way to tag people directly in replies.

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    MichelleDT - Hi Michelle, haven't announced the new house yet on my personal blog or twitter as I've been waiting to get in and take a ton of actual decent pictures first for the post, but figured I'd come over here in relative anonymity since the peeps over here are so unbelievably knowledgeable. Happy to see you here!

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    beekeeperswife - I will upload some photos as soon as I can! This post has one or two others I believe, but I understand the value of embedding them on the forum, so I'll def do that: http://www.saltyseattle.com/2012/01/should-i-go-rural-to-get-closer-to-my-food/

    Angie_DIY- I'm so happy to hear your optimism:)

    caminnc- yep, it's always a lot of dishes. I think the only reason I'm resisting a hobart dishwasher is because I still have nightmares from my first ever job using one in the heat of summer for months on end;) Funny, I tend to wash by hand more than anything nowadays, but yes, it gets ridiculous. I definitely want to get a stainless sink that is welded into a stainless countertop (slanted near sink) with the franke pullout pro faucet (that I currently have and love). I didn't want to say too much, however, wondering what kind of other suggestions I might get. Thanks!

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Hi, Linda. I got so involved in your blog, and thinking about making my own sausage, that I almost forgot to come back. But what a fantastic project. Thanks so much for inviting us to join the party.

    How many people are in your classes?
    That little immovable wall--is opening it up and replacing standard framing with support posts and beams a possibility?

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    @Rosie- wow, that's a pretty brilliant idea. Of course I don't know the answer, but I LOVE it. Going to send an email to the structural engineer. Classes depend- in my current kitchen for pasta I can only get about 4 because it's so participatory and you need a lot of space. I'd like to be able to go up to 6 or 8. Other classes are more forgiving because not as much space needed.

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Hello and welcome, Salty, from a northern neighbor! Sorry, this is a little OT, but could someone tell me how to view the layout? I often have this problem with Photobucket layouts (not photos), where it looks blurry when embedded in the post, and when I go to the actual Photobucket image, it's just as blurry (at every zoom level). Can't read words, measurements, etc.

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    That small thin supporting wall (what a funny place for a supporting wall) looks to be about 6' long (?). The space between it and the other wall up from it about 5' away - do you envision that area being any sort of a walkway or traffic path. If, (as rosie suggested), the supports can't be done (although I'm not sure that 2 support posts less than 6' apart in an otherwise open space is very wise with a lot of people in the room.)

    If that area can be closed off, it can become either a pantry area or put a counter between the two walls and use it for your seldom used things -microwave, lots of drawers for storage, etc. If you were to make the counter between the 2 walls 4-4 1/2' wide, you could put drawers on both sides and the counter gives you extra baking/cooking/prepping space. I can see some doors to the outside up and around to the right, and are those sliding glass doors to the left? If so, by putting a counter there it gives you a nice drop space for outdoor cooking.

    If the supports posts can be done, I would still put a counter or something between them so that people don't walk into them, Just my 2cents.

    Anyway, looking forward to seeing how your space develops.

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    What a wonderful project!

    I love re-using and re-purposing old pieces. My suggestion (if you use the baking center) would be to remove the top and replace it with something more user friendly for a group. Re-use the wood top somewhere else in the kitchen, maybe in a corner. Or, I can see it being used for a really great bathroom vanity top, or in a laundry or mud room.

    Looking forward to following your progress!