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17 years ago

Here is some background to explain the feasibility of what I want to do--feasibility isnt the issue--$$ is. Skip the next paragraph if you want to get to the meat of the matter.

I found the bricked up window opening in my bathroom, and determined that it was bricked up in 1965, 80 years after the house next door was built, so it did look out Over the other roof, it was not removed in 1885 because the other roof is in the way. It is part of an association, so it is the same "property". If the board approves it, I am ok in that regard.

I have room for a window of rough opening 28" square. My "full bells and whistles" window is a reproduction of the inswinging casements in the stairwells of some of the buildings: two concentric circles in a square, with spokes. It ends up being a 13-lite window. My second choice would be a square with panes (a 4-lite window)

Marvin clad exterior pricing on 13-lite: $7200

Full custom shop on 13-lite: $7800

Weathershield, Norwood,Marvin in slight variations on the 13-lite or the 4-lite all in the $3000-3800 range. Some of the 13-lite windows are less than the 4-lite, depending.

Marvin 4-lite clad outswinging casement: $1200

Full custom local shop push out casement: $1700

(Marvin and custom shop had the highest bids for 13-lite, lowest for 4-lite)

They all seem rather expensive to me; keep in mind this does include the upcharge of my contractor since I did not want to do the spec's and legwork on this one myself. Even though I will be looking out over a roof at rusty vent pipes, I will need to do an historic window.

The $7000 option is out but are these other prices in line? We are running a rehab where the Jeldwen Windows came in at 24 windows for $15,000. The homeowner got great pricing because of some professional connections.

Comments (4)

  • 17 years ago

    13 lites in a 28" square? There's room for the glass?

    Are you pricing both true divided lite and simulated divided lite windows- or are they all one or the other option?

  • 17 years ago

    Wow is 100% right. and I too would like to hear the answer to the Sim.Div Lite or True Div. Light? The price I would guess is fairly reasonable if you have that many dvisions of the glass (lites). For my money, I would definately go with the Marvin. In all my years experience when the price is lower, there is less meat in the window/door. you just can't get the Steak for the grilled chicken price. Sounds silly, but its true. For instance, Pella, Jeld-wen, Caradco, they all use rolled form cladding to save on cost. Roll formed cladding is about as thick as aluminum gutter. Thats not a terrible thing, per-se, but if the frame is thick extruded cladding, and the sash or door cladding is super thin roll formed, the colors will fade differently, and the roll form will expand and contract at a different rate than the frame, leaving gaps. And many window companies use thinner jambs orsash fram material to save costs. When the prices are largely different, ask for a cut corner sample and see hat the window is REALLY made of. they can make them ALL look the same inside and out, but how it performs in a couple years is where you justify the costs. Also, look at the waranty, the WHOLE warranty. Is it really a lifetime? Are there pages and pages of exclusions so they dont have to honor it? is it transferable? or worse yet, is it pro-rated? I have a a wealthy business owner friend who had to sue one of the National BIG BRANDS for their roll form clad doors leaking behind the cladding. he had 9 doors,6 leaked.
    Hope that helps! Let us know what you deide to do! JH :)~

  • 17 years ago

    I will try to explain the 13 lites:

    Draw a square. Inside the square draw a circle that touches each side. Thats 5 lites (a circle and the four corners)

    Now inside the circle draw a small circle. There is the sixth. Then make "spokes" from the small circle to the big circle, like pie cuts. There is plenty of glass :0) Its a "copy" of an historic window.

    Oops, thats either 12 or 14 depending upon the piecuts, but you get the idea.

    The two ~$8000 windows were Simulated divided lites with low-E glass, clad exterior(Marvin) and True divided lites with insulated glass in mahogany. (local Historic window shop)

    The other variations are various screen and hardware options etc. Not quite Apples to apples.

    The cheapest options were the same two companies in a four lite option [+]. basically. The price is all in the lites.

    The outside appearance is not key in terms of fading, because it faces a roof and is not visible from anywhere below. Maintenance is more important. And of course the interior appearance is very important, since it will be a bare and in-your-face window.

    I have a feeling they Must sell windows like this or they wouldnt make them. However, it must generally get rolled into the "window budget" where say, you are buying 24 windows for $24,000 but two of the windows are half the budget and the other 22 are the other 50%.

  • 17 years ago

    It is thirteen lights, oops. A circle surrounded by 8 segments in a circle surrounded by four corners.

    I went to an Old House Fair today and saw Norwood Windows, and really liked them. Their estimate on the 13 lite design was in the high $3000s and the 4 lite in the low $3000s...

    They Looked like great windows,,,any opinions?