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14 years ago

Well, things have been going relatively smoothly since our remodel started. Cabinets were set to be fully completed by the last week of August! Alas, we got home from vacation a week ago, the same day I knew the GC AND our cabinet maker were leaving for their own Summer vacations (GC is also general carpenter and doing everything except building cabs, plumbing and electric). But, a new set of kitchen plans was sitting on my table. Honestly, I had no reason to think they were "new" and only happened to peruse them while eating breakfast 3 days after we got home. The word "add" marked on an ugly 12" base and upper on the end of the fridge run caught my eye..... why would they add that? I don't want that, and it looks stupid? Get out my last approved plans, and tried to see what else was different. Hmmm... nothing. Just this extra 12" cabinet. Dawns on me that the cabs are done and ready for stain, and looks like they discovered an extra 12" on that wall. #%&*!

So, everyone is back today and GC agreed that as drawn it looks stupid and they have to fix it how I want it. That wall has a FD fridge, microwave drawer with deep drawer underneath (24" model), 24" wide wine fridge, then a 36" drawer stack. Now I have 12 extra inches. I already have tray storage in another part of the kitchen. My initial response was to make them create 2 24" 4 drawer stacks. But GC and cabinet guy think that looks busy. I'm not entirely sure I disagree, but no new drawing has been provided yet. Of course, cabinet guy wants to convince me it looks just fine to have that 12" lower drawer cab as long as he balances all the door fronts on the uppers. But, to me it looks like a mistake because it serves no purpose - I have no need for a skinny 12" cab.

What would you do? I thought about an appliance lift, because my KA mixer is the only thing I'm not totally sure about, and was thinking of keeping out on the counter. Thoughts? Whatever cab I get, I want it wider than 12" and he knows it, so the 36" db is going to be cut down regardless. In an old plan (before we decided to switch kitchen and dining) I had one cabinet with ROTS for those few things that just might not fit in drawers. Everything else is drawers except for a pull-out trash, a pull-out tray storage and my corner cab - which is a Korner King, because we obviously like drawers....

*sigh* I should have known

Comments (33)

  • 14 years ago

    Put in a 12" pull out pantry next to the fridge. It's the most useful 12" you can have.

  • 14 years ago

    Oops, forgot to list the 21" pull out pantry next to the fridge among already built cabs. Sorry, was exhausted when I posted last night. Will try to get an image of planned and new.

    They suggested a tall skinny broom closet, but as part of the remodel, we're adding a mudroom just off the kitchen with a large closet. I wanted a bookcase on the end of the fridge (facing dining area), but the fridge is staying in it's current location, because it is already recessed there. The off measurement was for the space between that recession and the corner.

  • 14 years ago

    Control freak - I have an 11 inch cabinet and was going to convert it to a 2 drawer bank for cutting boards. The cabinet is right next to the sink - there is a corner cabinet and then the knife drawer.

    Fast forward - I actually love this cabinet! It is my only standard cab in the kitchen.
    Top shelf is set to hold my cutting boards and they are easy to pop in and out.
    Second shelf hold my sink basket and a few long items that don't fit anywhere else - I also store my dry but slightly used towels in the basket

    Bottom shelf holds my slicer (aka Mandolin - but not the musical type!)

    I don't have any pictures of this yet - but it is turning out to be the missing link in my kitchen. I was originally going to store the cutting boards in one of the standard drawers but some are too wide for the standard drawers.

    So sometimes you just luck out!

    Someone else posted a picture of the 2 drawers for an 11 or 12 inch cab - but you lose quite a bit of usable space.

    Good luck and let us know your decision

  • 14 years ago

    I hate the 12" cabinet I have currently, so that is probably clouding my view, but I have trouble imagining the set up you are describing a2gemini. Here's the before:

  • 14 years ago

    Here's the drawing found when I came home from vacation. It definitely won't stay like this, but he wants to keep the skinny lower and put it in anywhere along the run.

  • 14 years ago

    Have you already bought the microwave drawer? If not, get the 36 inch with a 36 inch drawer below.

  • 14 years ago

    Yep, appliances are all bought. And if it makes a difference aesthetically, the wine fridge has double doors, like the french door fridge. So, they'd be approximately 12" each . . . wouldn't 3 12" doors in a row look silly? A drawer stack must stay to the left, for the built in charging station wiring...

  • 14 years ago

    I would leave the 12" cabinets and ask for a price break for their mistake. I bet you will find those cabinets quite useful. In my view the look is fine. Another thing you could consider is doing open shelving there, on the top or bottom or both.

  • 14 years ago

    I wouldn't mind the 12 inch cab on the lower (prefer it to left of wine fridge, tho), but don't like it on the upper. It looks like the uppers do not line up with the lowers. Can the uppers be remade to absorb the 12 inch addition?

  • 14 years ago

    I agree with javachik.

  • 14 years ago

    In the spirit of "making lemonade," at least you might get an extra 12" of counter top space! I agree with you, though: whatever you do has to look purposeful and not like an after thought.

    Here are a couple of off-the-top-of-my-head ideas. But first, what happens in your house after that extra 12" space? Is there a wall? A door into another room?

    If there is a wall, could you, for example, run the counter top to the wall, leaving the space underneath for things that might otherwise take up floor space, such as a bowl for water or food for a pet? Or, a container you could pull in and out for storing pet food (ours would fit in a 12" space). We also have a 10" wide three-tiered metal cart w/ three shelves that we use to store six-paks of tonic water, soda water, ginger beer and the like. Something like that could roll in and out of that space -- and fit with having glasses and wine storage in that area. BUT, you might not like the look of an open space there.

    You mentioned moving the lower cabinet somewhere else in the run. What if you moved it just to the left of the wine fridge, you might be able to install one of those pull-out units, like the ones from Rev-a-Shelf. Again, that could be storage for wine and drink-related items. Those fit well in a 12" space, so you wouldn't have to cut down the 36" drawer stack. (We have some 33" drawers and some 36" ones; I really like the extra 3".) What's not clear with this scenario is where the new 12" upper cabinet would fit, though.

    You mentioned shelving earlier, what about that? If the cabinet run in the picture meets a wall, the shelving would face forward. If the run meets a door, the shelving could face "sideways." Would you like the look better if the shelving ran the entire height of that 12" space, instead of having an upper and a lower?

    Good luck. At least you have a somewhat cooperative contractor and carpenter.

  • 14 years ago

    Place the 12" between the wine fridge and the drawer bank and make it a small wine cubby. The same with the upper. Put in a 12" wine cubby between the two larger cabinets directly above the 12" below. Or do a 12" pullout below, and do the wine cubby just on the uppers.

  • 14 years ago

    Perhaps you could have that 12 inch cabinet be an open one with shelves that could hold wine glasses, wine bottle opener, coasters etc. If you want the glass to hang upside down use a rack mounted to the shelves.
    You could have the cabinet maker make glass holder/rack from wood or buy a wire racks such as this
    {{!gwi}}

    Here is a link that might be useful: Wine glass rack

  • 14 years ago

    The upper is going to be evened out into 5 equally sized doors. He said that is no problem. Here is an overall view of the space, by GC without accurate kitchen. We are talking about the fridge wall that backs up to the garage.

  • 14 years ago

    I know everyone is trying really hard to help, but I don't think you really understand what I'm asking. I don't want a 12" cabinet. So, how do I divide up the space in another way that makes sense, is useful, and looks good. AND, as inexpensively as possible.

    This is what the cabinet maker wants to do - with 12" cabinet that I don't like.

  • 14 years ago

    I don't understand - why can they adjust the uppers (make 5 even doors)but not the lowers? I thought they had all the cabs made already. Don't get me wrong - that's great if they can fix it for you.

    I was going to agree with Green Designs' wine cubby idea. That's what I did to fill in 9" of space.

  • 14 years ago

    Here are a few pictures - they aren't very good due to the lighting from the garden window causing glare

    This is between the sink and the super susan

    Door open

    Top shelf

    Middle shelf

    Lower shelf

    Looking at your kitchen - since someone made an error - they should be able to fix.
    I would do what I did on the other side of our kitchen - turn the 42 inch cabinet into a 36 inch and an 18 inch or something similar to that (maybe 38/16)

    When I met with the KD - we agreed that if I changed my mind - I had to pay - if she made an error - it was on her.

    Good luck

  • 14 years ago

    Do you have plans to put something on the end of the fridge?
    I may be late to the game, but 3 options I like:
    1. I would have him make a 12" deep tall cabinet to put on the end of the fridge. (doors would be on the 24" side)
    Make a matching door on the end to blend with the front of the fridge.
    2. Or a tall pantry pull-out (from the front) 12" would give you quite a bit of storage.
    3. If you dont like the idea of a pantry storage, you could leave it open (from the end) like a bookcase shelving.

    Good luck!

  • 14 years ago

    I'd be irked by the tacked-on 12" cabinet too. After all, how do you mismeasure by a full foot?

    If they will remake the drawer stack, I'd turn your extra 12" into two 24" drawer stacks--IF you have a wider drawer stack elsewhere in the kitchen. If you don't have wider drawer stacks elsewhere, then I'd be worried that by going to a narrower 24" stack, you'd be compromising functionality. What types of items do you foresee storing in those drawers? Are there any unmet storage needs in your kitchen?

  • 14 years ago

    FWIW I really like the look of having that 11" pull out be an open wine cabinet with diamond-shaped dividers and the bottles lying in the crux -- it's a pretty classic look but I haven't a picture. I think it would look pretty, and absolutely planned as the wine fridge is right next to it afterall. Personally, I think it looks better, even than the original... --but as one of those open diamond wine-storage cabinets, not a pullout...

  • 14 years ago

    I think I would do a 12" pullout pantry unit (not a pantry with pull outs) for cans and bottles next to the 22" pantry with pull outs.

  • 14 years ago

    Wine cubby as others have suggested, or another open cubby of some type with baskets, or make it skinny cubby drawers. Could store cork skrews, wine glass charms, straws, other small drink type accessories in there.

    I honestly don't think it looks bad in the last drawing, but a 12" base cabinet unless it is a pull-out isn't very useful.

  • 14 years ago

    This coming from THE MOST anal, OCD woman in the world:

    The 2nd drawing has a 12" upper and a 12" lower. They don't line up where?

    I have to say that drawing looks a heck of a lot more symmetrical than moving that over to the right of the wine fridge. Then, only the two on the end line up.

    With the 12" on the upper and lower, on the end, those line up as do the larger drawer base and its upper.

    Sorry. Can't see it any other way because my vision is always thru the filter of even-ness.

  • 14 years ago

    Building on lyfia's idea of open cubby with baskets, have you decided where you're keeping your potatoes and onions? Mine are in mesh baskets on shelves in the broom closet, and it works great. You could use this found space for something like that. Like a2gemini's shelves, either with or without a door. You can actually fit a lot in a 12" cab.

  • 14 years ago

    Here are two 24ish" drawer stacks next to each other. Actually, there is a third stack of which you can only see the top drawer because of the island. I don't find that it looks too busy.

    We did simplify the look by using slab fronts on the drawer fronts less than 8" high, but we have a lot of drawers per stack.

  • 14 years ago

    Thanks for so many responses. I'll try to explain/respond to some things. My first instinct was to replace my book rack (stolen idea from LAXSupermom) with a regular 12" deep bookshelf. Unfortunately, the place his measurement is off is from the existing fridge nook to the wall (left) - there is no extra room to the right of the fridge unless we move the fridge into the garage. That is not something I am willing to do. I would never do well with open shelving, I am admittedly a very dusty person with very hairy cats. I have loads of storage for bulk items, cleaning items, etc. in the connecting mud/laundry room, so I'd rather keep that stuff out of the kitchen (cat food, brooms, etc). Basically cabinet guy - who I really like, and has been really accommodating and done EVERYTHING I've asked of him up to now - looked sick to his stomach and basically came over to beg me to consider a solution OTHER than 2 24" drawer bases because the extra cost is going to come out of his personal pocket as the guy that screwed up (he works for a custom cab company, is not the owner). My DH would say, "tough, this is business and he made the mistake." My heart says he is human and I would like to try and work with him to find the least expensive solution that I am comfortable with. Does that make any sense? Am I a complete pushover?

    Here are 3 more drawings he sent me. I actually like the side by side 4 drawer bases best, but want to consider other options. In a very old kitchen plan, I had one base cab that had 2 ROTS for those few items that might not fit well in a drawer . . . what do you think? It would look similar to the pick with the appliance lift.

  • 14 years ago

    I realize I never said what the purpose (in my mind) is for this stretch of counter and cabinetry. Above will be primary dish and glassware storage. Dishwasher is close by, right behind it. The counter will hold toaster oven and coffee maker. I see it as the place my kids can prepare snacks or no-cook breakfasts and lunches, get a glass for water, etc. without getting into the main workspace of the kitchen. I planned on putting utensils in the top drawer and the second drawer is to be a charging station - not as deep as the other drawers, and wired with plugs (stolen from jmseatle). I also plan to have wraps, plastic containers and items I typically only use in the microwave (small CorningWare or Pyrex) in that area. Does this help?

  • 14 years ago

    I read the above responses and didn't see the mention of a trash pull-out. I know you don't want the 12" base cabinet, but microwave/snack making might generate it's own trash--pizza boxes, plastic wrappers, etc. I think CEFreeman is correct about the second drawing--37 1/2" vs. 37 is pretty close. I couldn't achieve upper/lower symmetry in my kitchen, and I don't notice it anymore.

  • 14 years ago

    I actually didn't think of trash.... interesting. My trash is next to prep sink and that might actually be something to consider. He sent me 2 more options and I promised DH and I would decide by morning....

    At this point I am actually liking the ROTS in the slightly narrower cab. I asked him to try so drawers are about 27" and cab with ROTS is about 21" For some reason, the look appeals to me better, and I know that the ROTS might come in handy for not only KA mixer, but tallest stock pot, large crock pot, and any other items that may not be convenient in drawers. I think the 2 3 drawer stacks look pretty decent also, kinda balancing the MW drawer and large drawer under it....

  • 14 years ago

    If your kids are going to be using that space for snacks, etc, I think giving them a trash to use would be nice.

  • 14 years ago

    I have a lower cab with a pull out shelf that I use for my various small light weight appliances. I like it. Mine has a shallow drawer on top. It's a shorter cab, because it's in a section of counter that is only 31" instead of 36 (it's the part in the picture in my earlier post, below the wine rack). So yours, being 36", could easily have two pull outs or just two deep drawers. I thought it would be easier to maneuver the various appliances in and out of the pull-out shelf instead of a drawer, and so far, so good.

    I like both of these last two drawings, but the idea of wider drawers and a trash pull-out might be nice, too.

  • 14 years ago

    We decided on the lower cab that has the 2 pull out shelves. I know those aren't liked around here very much, but we felt that's what we'd get the most use out of. Thanks everyone for all your help, and giving me an outlet to sort this out and calm down about it.