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Could It Be Too Much Black

15 years ago

I will be using black cabinets on the base cabinets and 2 pantry doors. I'm now conteplating what color(s) appliances.

By using black appliances, I'm imaging an even more uniform sleek look, sort of the poor man's way of intergating appliances. I think I like the idea more for the DW & stove but not sure about the refrigerator.

I hear all the cleaning problems with SS refrigerators but a friend who has had black and SS says the black showed EVERYTHING. If I were to go with a SS refrigerator and DW and stove black, I would think it may come across as mismatched.

There will be two 24" stainless steel upper cabinets to go with the SS vent/hood.

There is yet a secondary option and that is to use our current white appliances and replace them as they wear out. I would even be willing to replace with other whites.

If you have pictures of black cabinets with white, black or SS appliances, I'd love to see them.

I welcome opinions and advice.

Comments (20)

  • 15 years ago

    Here are my near-black cabinets with white appliances:


    I thought that even SS would suck too much light out of the kitchen, never mind black appliances. My floor is near white, I think that helps keeping it together.

  • 15 years ago

    Did a quick search on houzz for black appliances with black cabs but after looking through 30+ pages, I only found one kitchen with nearly black cabs with black appliances.

    [contemporary kitchen design[(https://www.houzz.com/photos/contemporary-kitchen-ideas-phbr1-bp~t_709~s_2103) by portland interior designer nicole helene designs

    But I found lots of examples of black or near-black cabs with SS appliances, like this one:

    [modern kitchen design[(https://www.houzz.com/photos/modern-kitchen-ideas-phbr1-bp~t_709~s_2105) by dc metro architect Francisca Villarroel Alonso

    and this one:

    [modern kitchen design[(https://www.houzz.com/photos/modern-kitchen-ideas-phbr1-bp~t_709~s_2105) by new york kitchen and bath Kitchen Designs by Ken Kelly, Inc. (CKD, CBD, CR)

    I don't know if that's because SS is more popular or if it's the preferred look with black cabs. I did see a lot of kitchens with black appliances matched with wood (all stains, not just dark) and white painted cabinets, though, just not more that the one with black cabs and black appliances. Maybe if I'd used different search parameters or gone through more pages of results....

    Sorry, I may not have helped you. We need boxerpups with her amazing pic power to come to your rescue!

  • 15 years ago

    Aloha: I agree with you that the fridge is a big expanse, and therefore has different considerations than the DW or range. I wound up buying a paneled fridge; this way, I can make it whatever I want.
    Of course, this raises the question of what to make it. How about something like SS with black accents, or mostly black with SS accents?

  • 15 years ago

    " ... a friend who has had black and SS says the black showed EVERYTHING."

    IMHO it depends on the light in your kitchen -- and, of course, what your level of tolerance is for smudges.

    We have a black Samsung FD refrig and a black Bosch DW. We never see the smudges on the DW because it's on the wall with the window, so direct light never hits it. And we only see smudges on the black refrig in the very early morning when the light streams in through the East-facing kitchen window. Though the kitchen is open to both the dining area and the family room, the light sources there do not directly illuminate these appliances.

    Now that I think of it, our MW also is black. I notice the smudges on the stainless wall oven below it more than I do on the MW. Again, I think that's a function of lighting.

    Of course, YMMV!

  • 15 years ago

    Most of my cabinets are flat sheen, greenish black with SS appliances (the other cabs will be painted white). If I'd gone with high gloss lacquer, I suspect I'd have used matching panels on the fridge, DW, & vent hood & used a black stove although I bet a black hood is a nightmare to keep clean.

  • 15 years ago

    Uroboros, your kitchen rocks! Though white isn't the "in" color, it's looks perfect in your kitchen. IMO the contrasting really pulls your kitchen together. It's almost like you can never go wrong with white. It may not be the latest but it's never completely out.

    Lisa a - thanks for all your hard work and perseverance. I gave up quicker then you looking on houzz for pictures. Even though it was only 1 pic of the black on black it really helped a LOT! If we decide we want to hide the appliances, I think black does a perfect job. In some ways, I think the black would date slower since it's intergrated with the cabinet color. The 2nd pic with the SS steel frig is about the angle we'd often view the frig so that is a great pic too. I know what you mean about Boxerpups. Her pictures are so great whether you're looking for what the OP is requesting or not.

    Angie, we thought of the wood fronts too. If we did that though it would likley be black and then we are back to where we are now with a hefty $ to pay. But having a combo black SS would look nice.

    Kashmi - I'll have to find something that similuates the various shines against the likely west lighting (windows aren't in yet). Natural light can be lovely at one angle and unforgiving on another.

    I keep seeing YMMV, what is that?

  • 15 years ago

    While I do love stainless appliances, I think doing a black stove and black DW would be great for giving a seamless look. I see no issue with choosing a stainless fridge that doesn't match the other black appliances. Personally, I wouldn't do just a black stove and then a stainless DW and fridge. I'd do all lower cabinet located appliances in the same finish. Regarding black appliances, I know that there are different black finishes now. Some are smooth, some textured, etc. I would recommend going to a showroom (or several if necessary) and trying them out. See how much the fingerprints show up and whether it bothers you.

    Are there smooth, matte black appliances? That could look really cool.

  • 15 years ago

    I have all black appliances and they are easy to keep clean. The refrigerator is textured and shows nothing. The stove is a smooth top electric and I may wipe it down once or twice a day. The DW does show more as it is a smooth panel but not an issue. My new cabinets(not installed) are dark cherry. It is hard to find photos of kitchens with black appliances. If I find some I will post them.

  • 15 years ago

    Aloha- Doesn't your inspiration kitchen have stainless steel appliances? Isn't that more of a modern or contemporary look? I thought you were going for more 'bling' and some bright color with the accessories. Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong kitchen...

  • 15 years ago

    aloha,
    This is what I have learned over the years.

    Matching blacks and whites are nearly impossible tasks. When things are little off, it can look terrible. You may get a reasonable look matching black cabs with black appliances but it may look terrible due to different undertones, shines, materials etc. Hard to predict until you put it together. SS is easy because one is not trying to match.

    Regarding textured ref: this would be a mistake (white or black) in a modern kitchen. It just does not read modern, IMHO. Textures, surfaces and material are all really important components of how to pull modern stuff together.

  • 15 years ago

    YMMV = your mileage may vary

    (cut from urbandictionary.com) Literally, "Your Mileage May Vary," coming from the small print in (American?) automobile commercials in the 70's and 80's. It has come to mean an acknowledgement that the opinion of the poster may not be shared by everyone.

  • 15 years ago

    I'd do the black dw and stove and a ss or white fridge. The black below counter level will blend and not seem so dark. Because a fridge is up at eye level, I'd go with a lighter color. That is why most people who do different upper and lower cab colors use the light one on top.
    My black dw shows little on it yet our ss wall oven gets fingerprints. I know some ss appliances have special finishes to not hold prints and smudges so much. I think the stove and dw would blend nicely with black cabs. In our kitchen, we have black, white and some ss and they all work well together. We have white cabs with a black and gray (2 grays) floor so we have flexibility with those tones. You are only using 2 colors, so you will be fine. In decorating the word matchy has become a 4 letter word, lol....

  • 15 years ago

    Lavendar, you have an excellent memory! I like the SS look but I've heard enough about streaks and fingerprints, especially the refrigerator, to give me great pause. I don't want the refrigerator to own too much of my time. CML's kitchen, that I love, does have an integrated DW so it maintains the consistent look. I've already been thinking about what accents I'm going to be putting out. Actually with my new layout, it accidently created some really nice accenting areas.

    Kaismom, I know all too well about trying for the same white (or black). I painted the cabinets a soft white cabinets with white appliances. I don't know if it's because I gravitate towards constrasts but I never liked the two together. The one option isn't so much about matching the blacks but just blending into nothingness.

    Debrak, lower maintainance is music to my ears. I would rather go with maybe a little less of the look then wiping my frig all day long.

    I realize that modern is with shiny surfaces but I would think (I could be soooo wrong) that a textured surface would blend into the background too. Shiny surfaces tend to attract your attention, where dull ones recede.

  • 15 years ago

    Here are some pics, in case any of them might help:

  • 15 years ago

    Meowser- Great pictures!

    Aloha- While stainless steel can show fingerprints, so can all shiny surfaces. I have read that some of the new stainless steel options are much better about 'hiding' prints, so I'd recommend doing some appliance shopping.

    I think the stainless steel and bright colors (maybe glass tile?) will look amazing in your kitchen. Black cabinets (or very dark wood tone) will really set these off and will give you a neutral, yet sleek, background. I'd suggest staying with the stainless steel appliances...I think you're going to love how it all looks, together :)

  • 15 years ago

    Thanks, lavender.

    Found 2 more:

  • 15 years ago

    Oops! I think my second one is the same as lisa's first one. Sorry about that.

  • 15 years ago

    I like the idea of mixing stainless and black. Especially since you have the silver and black already going.
    I don't think there is a need for all appliances to match each other.

  • 15 years ago

    Thanks for all the pics they help so much!

    My DH and I went out shopping at the Great Indoors and found a Viking intergrated DW on clearance for $425. When I went up to ask about it, the saleman held up the 2 signs in his hand SOLD. He had just sold them both over the phone. What's the odds that someone is going to buy 2. I suppose it was such a good price, they'll probably sell the other one and in essence get the one for free. He added more salt to the wound by saying they had been there on sale for awhile. This will now be what I have to compare everything else to. Grrrrr

    We did check out the SS frigs and noticed a few of them have a sateen finish. Not as brillant as the regular but hardly any fingerprints. Opens up our options.

    Then we made our way over to the vents. We really like the curved vents with glass. Less fingerprints and should be easier to clean. I'm sure EVERYTHING shows though too.

    Then we went to IKEA - substantial step down in quality and price of course. We did fall in love with the idea of a white cooktop (we'll have artic white corian). We're thinking the look is enough to contend with the additional cleanup, we'll have to think about it. There is a 5 year warranty so I'm wondering how bad they actually could be. I'll have to check out the appliance forum I suppose.

  • 15 years ago

    Meowzer, I was going thru again the wonderful pictures you shared and noticed on the 4th picture how the SS dishwasher stands out on the "line" of base white cabinets. Even though it's too much "black" we're concerned about, we want simplicity more then anything. IMO I think a white or better yet intergrated DW would have been more appropriate.