We went with Barker, which means that we did have to put them together. But we got every one of my customizations with all the bells and whistles (Blum hardware, soft close everything, servo motor for the trash, 27" deep pantry with roll out shelves, etc) in natural cherry for less than half of that. Not, you have more cabinets than we do, but I'd still look into them. Quality and finish are excellent.

Just like joygreenwald, we went with Barker. We got 18 cabinets total. I counted 30 or so in your order. Our order included all trim molding (light rail, crown, scribe), 3 full height solid wood finished ends, a full-height pantry, paneled matching end panels, almost all drawer bases...pretty much everything, in natural cherry and really excellent quality. Our order was $10,500.

I know Barker isn't for everyone but for that difference in price you could hire a crew to assemble and install them and still be ahead in the price AND get much better quality to boot. Something to consider anyway...

And since you already have your list of cabinets established it would be super easy to price out on their website.

This post was edited by dcward89 on Fri, Sep 19, 14 at 6:13

That seems ludicrous. I am going with Barker. There are probably many others out there that would be less $$

The basic cabinets in the quote aren't where the $$ is being spent. It's all of the upgrades. You've listed an upscale kitchen cabinet list, not a basic kitchen redo. Even in a budget line, it all adds up.

Even a "nothing special" wood hood is gonna be around 1-2K with the insert you need. A 36" lazy susan is about 1-1.5K in a budget line. Legs, well, they are all a couple of hundred a piece, to almost 1K a piece. Never cheap. Tall pantries, are a minimum 1K each, probably more if they are more than just shelves.

So, you probably have about 6K just in those items. And if you have a paint finish, that's at least 20% of the quote. If you're doing all ply, a lot of companies charge another 20% for that. So, that's 40% of your quote, or another 8K, just in those two upcharges. Out of a 20K quote, the majority of it is going towards non basic items that inflate the costs upwards. Only you can say what you value those items at, but if you want the much more than a basic kitchen that you have listed, then your budget does need to increase. Or, you need to increase your personal DIY component of the project.

This had me curious so I ran your list-(there is a good amount of information missing relevant to pricing missing )

Priced it as:
full overlay shaker door, cherry, 36" tall uppers, modest hood, 4-cheapest legs (slightly nice ones adds 2k), and only a 2-3/8 tall crown (more adds$$) put roll outs in all but one of the non specified bases., all soft close drawers...
In a brand that typically prices a few points over Kraftmaid (so a good percentage above Waypoint /Shenandoah) Came to $18-20.7 k depending on markup up (the range here in the boonies.)

Given the brand you're looking at I didn't do any detailing which could add another $2k.

With full information that could easily climb 10-20% (taller molding or a stack, taller wall cabinets, nicer legs, change doorstyle....). Add in shipping to NYC which given the number of boxes is well over $1k.
So it may be a bit high but, given your location, not so much.

As LWO suggests, a quick look at your list leads one to believe that some modest savings can be had just working on the layout. Or as others have noted RTA's.

Live wire oak....so you are saying that price is in the range? I just want to make sure before I buy. I did go with all plywood, and I have a section of painted cabinets but they were actually a little cheaper then the stained. I would love to go with barker but I'm afraid of staining all those cabinets and them actually looking good not being factory finished!!
Do you think I'm making a mistake by going with one of those lines for the money they will cost with all the cabinets and extras I need? If I don't go with a cabinet like Barker, I'm thinking I don't really have another option? It's just killing me to think I would pay that much and the cabinets are not even considered "mid grade"...although from what I've seen I'm happy with them. Not sure if there is something I'm missing though?

Have you considered Ikea? Lots of folks are really happy with the quality and if you don't mind some sweat equity, there are real cost savings.

Oh ok thanks jakuvall, I saw your post after I posted!! I basically did what you quoted. Simple legs, modest crown molding, cheapest hood, 36" wall cab, the door style is a raised panel though. I got a quote from Kraftmaid dealer that was around 24,000. At the time I was considering a speed oven so one of the cabinets was to accomadte that but now I nix that to cut budget.

Added plywood
With that and all the perks you may find a better cabinet prices competitively

The price I listed above for my Barker cabinets included the factory finish. No way I'm gonna take on staining/finishing/painting my kitchen cabinets.

I don't know why you'd want that many cabinets in a builder grade line. The problems expand exponentially.

Barker recently began offering a stained varnish finish. I've been pricing vanity cabs, and stain or conversion varnish can add $200 to each cabinet, but you want that factory finish. I've also begun looking into Conestoga RTA cabinets from the Cabinet Joint. Conestoga makes doors and drawers for some of the top of the line cabinet companies like Plain and Fancy and have more options than Barker. They're in PA, closer to you than Barker in OR.

Here is a link that might be useful: Barker cabinet finishes

How about a layout

I hope this is clear enough. I have changed some of the cabinets as noted above, also the window will not be 70" more like 50" and the 2 24" corner wall cabinets will go on window wall. I also got rid of the prep sink in peninsula it will just be the 36" corner base.

This post was edited by nyrgirl35 on Fri, Sep 19, 14 at 20:21

In a wood door (Ramsjo red-brown) with full-extension Blum drawers and pullouts in all of the non-sink bases, IKEA is under $ 8000.

This doesn't include the wood hood.

I think jakuvall is going to wear his eyes out trying to help you. He's a NY KD and is a good resource, but please be considerate and post a clear layout.

Maybe these will help

This wall meas. 156". In the middle will be paneled DW to left of DW is trash cabinet. The microwave above will just be a shelf for MW not built in.

That's a 36" stove. 30" Warming drawer to left of stove. Stove is flanked by 2 9" tray dividers.

36" corner cabinet, 24" refrigerator drawers that will be paneled (btw WD will be paneled too!), 12" cabinet on end of peninsula

This is my back wall I was going for a butlers pantry type of look. The pantries on either side will be either 21" or 24" I would probably go with 21" but one brand only made either 18" or 24" for them I chose the 24" and I did pullouts in only one! I also change the drawer base to 24" cabinet.

Not sure if these help at all I have 2 more

Window wall

Back wall / butlers pantry

Just to give you an idea on style/ colors for waypoint I chose the 720 door in cherry chocolate and for the back wall I chose the 720 linen/hazelnut glaze

Maple hazelnut glaze

To me your pricing looks about right...at least with my experiences.

That cabinet list looks very similar to ours. I started at big box stores and most of their lines in all plywood were in the mid $20K's. Next, I looked into mid range cabinets through kitchen stores which ran into the high 20's to mid 30'. Since I really had my heart set on inset (into the next "decade" of pricing), we ended up ordered RTA through Conestoga.

For quality, both Conestoga and Barker are better than anything else we considered. There is an expense for our time and labor, but even with the trips for supplies to hardware stores, we are well under $18K.

We considered Barker but they didn't have inset cabinets.
Hope that helps!

Price does not seem far off. May want to do some comparison shopping - Waypoint @ KD's, is American Woodmark @ Home Depot, and Shenandoah @ Lowes.

I wanted the layout to see if any of the easy tricks saved money. As it is, without a lot more talk, only a little.

Short answer is what has been said- pricing for what you are after- a lot of boxes (maybe a few too many), mitered doors, glazed, 42" uppers- the only way to save is RTA or Chinese.

Long answer-
change something- A raised panel rail and stile saves $$ but to get that much detail you would be looking at an applied molding which doesn't save you anything but works with paint. ( note I refuse to sell painted mitered doors)

Look hard at the layout, priorities, (especially) the space, ...I could see getting a slightly better cabinet (and layout) at the price with some fussing and compromise.

Might want to let the layout gurus have at it- while they don't do price could still help. (note that 36" uppers with a nicer molding stack saves about $500, 39's a little less)

Thanks everyone I will be looked into all advice. My uppers are 36" not 42" that was a mistake on layout. But the prices I got were for 36's.
I have looked at Barker cabinets but I feel like I won't be able to achieve the look im going for similar to the door colors above, correct me if I'm wrong?

Does anyone have an opinion on either Waypoint or Marsh? Am I correct in calling them builder grade cabinets? Doing some research I have found a lot of good on Waypoint, nothing bad or good on Marsh!

Given the cabinet style choice, the amount of cabs. I'd say 20k is on point.

As mdln noted Waypoint is Shenandoah, American Woodmark, used to be Timberline.

Have you decided that is the layout you want? If not, you could move things around, to have less cabinets. For example, I found one (1) 42'' cabinet saves a lot of $$$ compared to two (2) 21'' cabinets. Also, 36'' x 1 vs 18'' x 2, etc.

I would take a really hard look at not only the layout, but your overall wish list. From the size of the space, you are in a small, modest, home, and are taking over the breakfast area. For such a small sized home, you appear to be way over improving for the space, proportionate to the home's overall size, and probably value. I don't think that kitchen belongs in that house.

I think you need to reassess the whole project. Stop and look at your neighborhood. Don't put money into the house that you will never ever get back.

hollysprings my house is estimated at $550,000 some houses similar to mine have sold around $600,000, the sq/ft is about 2500, not sure what you consider a small, modest home? So I'm figuring if my Reno cost around $50,000 I'm ok, I was hoping for less because of other work that needed to be done in house but this layout is what seems will work best.

@ hollysprings - I respectfully disagree with your statement, ''Don't put money into the house that you will never ever get back.''

Especially if someone plans on staying in a house for a long period of time and can afford to, they should build whatever kitchen they want if it makes them happy.

Houses are more than just investments; they are someone's home.

I regret not making upgrades (that I knew I would not recoup) 14 years ago. I could have been enjoying them all this time.

As someone else on GW said, ''Build a house for yourself, not some unknown potential buyer in the future whose likes/dislikes you don't know.''

I'm in the same metro area and got similar quotes of about $20k for a builder grade line in plywood, but spent $9k on Conestoga even with beaded inset and custom dimensions everywhere. Plus about $3k for assembly.

If you look on the Cabinet Joint's site there is the full Conestoga catalog with all the doors offered, yours looks like CRP-10875, and maybe the crystal white with coffee glaze...as long as you promise to remember why jakuvall told you not to paint mitered doors.

Mdln I agree I am doing this kitchen all about me and not about resale. I don't want to over pay and don't want to put all my money into just the kitchen when I have other things to do in this house, so I'm trying to find a happy medium. Which is one of the reasons I can't go with a higher quality cabinet, so Im hoping the cabinets I get are sound and last. This kitchen layout is based off my family, how I cook and how I entertain. Hoping for the best!! But in the end money is money and being this is a huge investment I get cold feet and second guess my decisions, thank you all for your help and advice.

Barlowmom I gotta say I've considered those cabinets but I'm scared seems overwhelming when I look at it. I'm afraid I'm going to mess something up. Can you get a wood hood and custom cabinet for warming drawer? And some panels for appliances?

Build a house for yourself, not some unknown potential buyer in the future whose likes/dislikes you don't know.'' .... and who will probably want to rip out whatever you do anyway.

Thanks snookums!
That quote gave me the courage to takes some risks, that I am so happy with.

I did my kitchen w Barker. You can get panels and cabinets for appliances, such as a warming drawer. Same w Conestoga. But, if you are not confident in measuring and designing and doing the DIY then those may not be good options. Why not work on those sites and explore more?

Another suggestion is for you to post your layout and see if there are any other good ideas to help improve function and how to economize the cabinet design.

Good luck!

Just a general observation--imo prices will go up to whatever the traffic will bear, but quality does not always keep up with the price increases.

We have Waypoint cabinets. I have no complaints about them after 1.5 years and the price was comparable to Cliq (which is Chinese I guess?). Plywood, dovetail, soft close - not sure what makes a high end cabinet that much different. We paid about half of what you were quoted. Not sure what the average home value is around here (rural midwest) but I would say maybe 150-200K.

Here is a link that might be useful: Waypoint kitchen