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Christopher Peacock--Info Anyone??

14 years ago

I just found out that my "dream kitchen" magazine inspiration photo has Christopher Peacock cabinetry. Though it is a bit different in style than the white, "The Hamptons/Nantucket" style kitchen, often referred to here as the OTK.

I have been looking into custom cabinets, and shockingly, I think the prices may be even more than the real deal.

Online, (I do not recall where--possibly Gardenweb, though I cannot re-locate the thread), I read about how Mr. P sold his company to Smallbone, which promptly went backrupt, and he was trying to buy it back, and the brand is up and running again.

I heard that the quality (from Smallbone) was very disappointing.

Unfortunately, I do not live in an area with any nearby showrooms or dealers, to see for myself.

Has anyone seen the Peacock line in person, or know anything about the quality of the line today. (I heard it was great quality originally, then declined to a point of being awful at Smallbone. Not sure how it is now.)

Anyone know the status of the company or any info that would shed light on whether quality could be expected to be back to the pre-Smallbone level?

Any advice/info appreciated.

Comments (27)

  • 14 years ago

    Although there have been some pretty spendy kitchens on here, I'm still not sure that you'll run into anyone who has the ability to drop 150K+ on cabinetry so you probably won't get any direct feedback from someone who's used CP. I have been in one kitchen with CP cabinetry, but frankly, I think any high end custom maker can do very much the same work for half of the cost. Yes, it was good quality and the details were terrific, but I was aghast at the price.

  • 14 years ago

    There are a couple of Peacock display kitchens on Green Demolitions just now. Even at a substantial discount, they are pricey. That said, a couple of them have so many bits that you could probably put together the kitchen you need, have the countertops refitted, and sell what is left over locally.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Green Demolitions

  • 14 years ago

    I do not have the exact answers to your questions... just a bits of info regarding CP. Two years ago, when I was planning my kitchen I took a 45 min. ride to the showroom in CT for inspiration. It was closed. No sign on the door...just closed. I think it is back up and running now. Back then, I believe that I phoned another of the showrooms just to learn of cost... it was very high end is the best way to put it.
    Someone did a post on GW, I believe, on how to achieve the CP look. (Maybe someone else knows, or you can google or search it) I have seen some beautiful finished kitchens on here that are simply stunning that can rival CP in my opinion.

    As for the Peacock line quality now or having seen it in person, sorry, no info there. I have seen magazine photos and they are beautiful and special.

  • 14 years ago

    Go to the blog of Willow Decor -- she did a great feature on what makes the Christopher Peacock look. There are several things that really make a cabinet look and feel high end such as a full one inch frame and door rather than 3/4. You should be able to get upgrades from accompany like Crown Point (also CP so sometimes there is confusion). I think once you understand that what you want is the look, you will see that you can get that look from other cabinet suppliers.

  • 14 years ago

    try to contact igloochic...

    I have a vague memory she was going to do a CP kitchen....

    or was it somebody else? no, I think it was her.

  • 14 years ago

    I've been in two CP kitchens before, and I've been in two Clive kitchens before. I always felt that the quality of the CP kitchens were overstated. Don't get me wrong they were nice, but you're paying a huge premium to get something a good custom cabinet builder can do too. I felt that the Clive kitchens were more substantial in the feel and the solidness of the craftsmanship.

  • 14 years ago

    I've been to the small showroom in Boston and they were lovely cabinets, but I honestly don't know if I would pay 200k for them. I got that number from an older thread, linked below. If the kitchen also isn't his typical white kitchen and budget isn't a big concern, I'd be inclined to contact some of the other kitchen gurus like Mike de Giulio, to see who can come up with the most creative design that best fits my style and creates my dream kitchen.

    But post the inspiration picture and I'm sure the people here could give you resources for recreating it (in both the 200k price range and also 50k). :)

    Here is a link that might be useful: Older Peacock Thread

  • 14 years ago

    DD just bought a home with a Peacock kitchen, not the typical. She says it's OK -- not overly enamored (though she's not TKO). Doubt you'd be missing much. I've been through Smallbone showroom twice trying to figure out "why" and I'm stymied.

    Crown Point can duplicate the details from any CP photos with excellent service and the quality is droolworthy.

  • 14 years ago

    I have gone through the peacock displays in the showroom at the design center in Boston.

    One thing that I felt distinguished these cabinets was the beefiness of the doors - 5/4" I believe. Also, a lot of cabinetry coming down to sit on the countertops. Glass doors with walnut interiors, etc.

    I am with everyone else that you can replicate this look with a less expensive cabinetry manufacturer or a custom cabinet builder.

  • 14 years ago

    Vicky--not really your question, but have you talked to Mike at Cornerstone Cabinetry yet? I'm not saying his quality is similar to CP as I've never seen a CP kitchen IRL, but his cabs are of great quality and he'd cost a tiny fraction of what a CP kitchen would be. And I mean tiny. Custom cabs don't have to cost as much as my 2-y.o.'s college education will run. ;)

  • 14 years ago

    You can easily get a whole kitchen for what just the CP cabinets will cost. And a very very nice whole kitchen. He has good cabinetry, yes, but not that good.

    On the other hand, if you are set on CP and will be doing a 300-400K kitchen, please post it here to document it for posterity and for everyone to oogle!

  • 14 years ago

    Hey, in some areas of the country you can get a whole HOUSE for that. :-)

  • 14 years ago

    Heck, in my area of the country, you can get two decently sized houses in good neighborhoods and have enough left over to do a kitchen refresh in both. :)

  • 14 years ago

    truly, this type of choice has more to do with the overall home, where no detail is neglected. Look at Plain and Fancy, Woodharbour, Crystal Cabinets, etc.

  • 14 years ago

    I would say for the premium price you will pay, half of it is for the quality, half of it is for the name. But after reverse engineering and building one of his kitchens, I have to disagree with the statements that "any good cabinet maker or company can give you this kitchen." It may be a good kitchen. It may be a white kitchen. But his has that something extra. The molding profiles, the balance of proportions, the materials and the overall design. It depends on what your definition of a replicate or duplicate is.
    John

  • 14 years ago

    I live in "Peacock Country", ie one town over from his own home and also the area where he was particularly popular.

    I have a neighbor with a Peacock kitchen, and two friends with them. I am TKO and just finished my own reno, but I am not a KD or designer. I would say the attention to detail and quality and luxe materials are quite apparent. But based on what I have seen, that is a function of the budget and not necessarily CP.

    Of the three kitchens, one is well over a decade old and not what you would think of as Peacock. It is very "Connecticut" --- country but in an understated no-flourish way. I don't think he was doing anything that ground breaking until he stumbled upon Scullery. The other two are the scullery look and probably were done when it was the "hot new trend", mid 2000s. Back then if you wanted that "it" look, there were not many other people who could do it.

    KD I know in the area say that CP ushered in a higher level of craftsmanship that had been used, as did the housing boom. Kind of set new standards. As far as I know, he is now onto licensing and not really someone you want for your kitchen per se. Now that everyone can pull off the Scullery look, among trendsetters he is becoming a bit passe.

    By the way, I looked at a house in Bedford a few years before CP hit the market, it was new construction, and it had a scullery kitchen. At that time it was so unlike anything id ever seen, that I kept the listing brochure for a long time, just ogling it. I dont think Cp invented it IMHO

  • 14 years ago

    Sorry, but I have to respond to the above post. First of all it sounds like it was written by someone working for this "best cabinets" place. I looked at their web site and really, who gives a shi#*t that they have 100 acres and cut down their own trees that they use for their cabinets. Besides that, there is no way all of the species they list grow in one place. Same opinion for their door styles. As far as the fact that Peacock cabinets are hand painted on site, well this is part of the look and if you ever tried it as I have, even with the same European paint and Italian brushes they use, you would know how extremely difficult this is to do well. Just saying...

  • 14 years ago

    Hi jdesign --
    I've seen several plugs for "Best Cabinets" in Chicago
    on GW posts over the years.
    Maybe they are really great cabinets.
    But I treat them as a kind of spam.
    Thanks for calling them out.

  • 14 years ago

    The trad CP "scullery" look as mtn calls it is straight out of Victorian kitchens. It is Victorian with tweaked features. Scullery in those days was a sink room -- like a cross between kitchen and laundry where pots and pans and dishes were washed, water was kept boiling etc. Of course, they had staff. LOL.

    The scullery concept expanded and elevated the look of the sink or butlers pantry.

    Crown Point can do the look beautifully. Clive Christian does it as well with some amazing details -- similar price range. Clive sends the cabinets, which are hand-finished on site and sends their installers from England as well.

    Years ago tongues were going about a friend of friend who built a McMansion and brought in workers from France to do her thatched roof. Some people just gotta have it.

  • 14 years ago

    I saw a wonderful "scullery" kitchen done by Victoria Hagan long before anyone heard of Christopher Peacock. He just happened to put it in a showroom where it caught fire because it was so fresh compared to the kind of kitchen that he and everyone else had been doing, sort of riffs on Tuscan.

    Crown Point can do it and can give you some of the things that make the Christopher Peacock kitchen really luxe such as the full inch fronts. But if you know what to ask for, I would think most custom or small cabinet companies can meet the requirements. There are small companies that do wonderful work -- Kennebec, Cook & Cook, both in Maine.

  • 14 years ago

    I think Vicky went screaming into the night or has fallen dead on the floor from the pricing being talked about. Vicky? You still out there? Just breathe! The shock will wear off and you'll be able to use your typing fingers again soon.

  • 14 years ago

    Oh, if money and time were no object, Kennebec would be my top choice. Love their work, at least in pictures--never been lucky enough to see one IRL.

  • 14 years ago

    LOL, Rococo, I can imagine what Chubb would say to me if I wanted a thatched roof!

  • 14 years ago

    Peacock does own his company again. Smallbones is gone. I don't deal with him (though I'd like to). Are there other companies that can give you the same look and quality or the same or less money? Absolutely.

    Having never actually been in one of his kitchens
    I cannot speak to the actual quality of construction. By that I mean I don't know if it as good as its cracked up to be. I only know that there are many companies who do work that is extraordinary and regardless of price the cabinetry can only be so good.

    Depending on your location I can give you some suggestions via phone or email. All that said, Peacock uses a number of different custom details and while there are really exceptional substitutes available, some of them cannot be duplicated for any price.

  • 3 years ago

    I ordered a kitchen from them last year. The quality was horrible and the quality control non existent

  • PRO
    last year

    Really? Which one of our designers and showrooms did you work with?

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