I mentioned that to the designer I got from Angie's list, but he treated so many of my questions off-handedly, I didn't have a good feeling that he'd given them enough thought. About the "remodeling in the future", I just meant that if I redid the bathroom in 2013, then sold the house 15 years from now, a new owner might feel it was time to remodel the bathroom anyway .. so I didn't need to include a bathtub, because it's what a buyer would want for their children. That's one reason I want the shower large enough, that it could easily be replaced by a standard sized tub in the future, without everything else having to be rearranged.

My concern was how shallow those closets might wind up, to create the passageway from the hall. There too, the designer was so vague with dimensions, I could see him saying that the closets would be 28" deep, but them actually winding up 25" deep, which is shallow.

I can't believe it .. in the middle of typing this, the bathroom designer called, basically to complain that my negative review on Angie's List will hurt his business .. after telling me he couldn't do the contruction work on my bathroom, because he was too busy with all the Hurricane Sandy related work he picked up!

You ladies will like this thread. It's going to be fun:
https://www.houzz.com/discussions/weird-things-you-noticed-once-you-started-your-reno-remodel-dsvw-vd~273908

I did take a peek. It will be fun to see who writes what! When we built this house and they were digging for the foundation and septic you can't imagine all the stuff we found. The neighboring properties were built in the early 1800's so they may have use the yard as a dump. We found lots and lots of old medicine bottles, all colors, all shapes, an old sundial, two pieces of Sandwich glass (whale oil lamps in perfect condition), a silver tea pot and old tobacco tins. Oh, and a set of false teeth !

There was a building project going on and Native American artifacts were discovered and the site was shut down!

Judy - Don't know where you live, but I have a friend in the Seattle area who does research on project, for environmental reasons, and also for Native American artifacts/burial grounds! What did you do with the old stuff you found? My town has a Boro Historian, and they try to collect anything of historic nature.

I am on Cape Cod. The medicine bottles are in a box in the shed, the Sandwich Glass whale oil lamps are on the mantel, and the arrow heads are on the desk. ( My property wasn't the one that was shut down.) Because my grandfather was born here, I have a lot of interesting things. His uncle, was Caleb Chase of the coffee fame. I have his highchair that was painted by a local artist, his gold pocket watch with inscription and it is key-wind and runs perfectly, his lap desk, an oil lamp he received as a wedding gift on and on. Not many of my friends are interested in anything like this, but I love history, particularly if there is a personal connection. Did you see this post?
https://www.houzz.com/discussions/preserving-old-wood-dsvw-vd~273929

http://www.johnrsneddenltd.com/lighting/whaleoillamp.html

Just in case you girls are interested in whale oil lamps this picture is showing a complete one. Often the top is missing.

Unfortunately my family only had slightly old "stuff", rather than really old & historically significant pieces! My historical group does an "Antiques Road Show" every spring; this year I'm bringing a large watercolor & my late aunt's porcelain & leather doll.

Both of those are very interesting. A porcelain faced doll with a leather body? My great aunt came from the Black Forest area of Germany and she brought with her the most amazing collection. She had no children and I could look but not touch, but that was okay with me. The glass eyes….

Do you know the artist of the watercolor?

bobbi, doc appointment o k? Did you talk about your sleep issues? When I was your age I had the worst time, for years. Then I gave in and took something, carefully prescribed. Just watch anything that is a hypnotic, like Ambien. Not good.

Hard to read the signature; it starts with a large "R", and ends in "art", with what looks like a couple of e's in the middle. The style is similar to early Louis Icart .. like his "Paresse" or "Madam Bovary". The doll has a white leather body with articulated limbs. The hair almost feels real, but the part of her head to which it was attached, has come loose .. so it's held on with a rubber band now. If it's valuable, I guess it's worth taking to a doll hospital to fix.

Hi all! creeser, glad you're not mad at me! It will take me time to catch up to you all, but I wanted to say I never made it to the dr. 2 1/2 hours to go 10 miles! The altamont was a MESS. Saw one accident where a big rig pushed a sedan about a mile, the sedan was sideways, driver was trapped. One accident after another, as soon as we started gaining speed (if you call 10 mph speed) we would stop again. Had to call and cancel the appt. Next time, I guess.

Hi all, just signing in but gotta run. Supa busy day today. Hope bobbi goes well at docs, I get so worried about her because I know what lack of sleep can do to you.

On the subject of soft drinks - or what you call sodas, I once worked with a guy who had a large bottle every day for his lunch. Ended up rotting his stomach and had to wear an exterior bag. Of course if you look at all the things you can clean with Coke you do have to worry. I had a cousin once who was a car mechanic and came home every day with filthy, oily overalls. Put them in the washing machine with a can of Coke and they came out spotless every time. All sodas contain caffeine too, not good for kids as it can damage developing nervous systems.

Actually funny story - one dd drinks way too much diet coke, quite worries me at times, but many years ago she was having problems with a rattle in her car. Took it to the mechanic who went over it, drove it around, but couldn't find a thing wrong. She brought it back home most irate, calling him incompetent, etc. but in a fit of temper decided to give it a good clean and wash. Never heard the rattle after that .............. think it might have have something to do with the 27 empty coke cans she took out of the back seat. She has never lived that down.

Come back tonight. Hope bobbi has some good news for us by then.

Roo, that's funny. I thought you were going to tell us there was a coke can in the engine. My girlfriend has looked for weeks for her car keys and, yep, there they were on the engine. Husband did it, changing the oil!!!!! Can't live with them, can't shoot them. :>)

Roo, that is a hoot!! Could have been my car...it's a disgrace! And I'm a diet dr. pepper-aholic! horrible I know, but true!

Ha! See what Coke will do to you? Rattles your car and your brain! And judyg, can't live with them, can't cook them for dinner, that's my motto. Mendi, shame shame. And Dr. Pepper of all things! You know they call that carbonated prume juice, don't ya!

Oh, deep breath, what a day. Tons of rain, bad roads, accidents everywhere.

We've been trying to find a pkg all day. Ordered from Amazon, shipped to our old address (UPS). UPS turned it over to USPS. USPS says it was delv'd 12/6. We went to our old address, we know the lady that lives there now, she says no pkg was ever delv'd. Back to the Post Office, they don't have the pkg. I guess it vaporized. Worst part is Amazon was not the seller, it was an Amazon store so the chances of getting a refund are slim to none. All we can do now is wait for the Post Office to call us (I have visions of cobwebs). Grrrr......

Help! Ben Moore says this color pairs well with dark chocolate brown, do you all agree? http://www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/paint-color/quietmoments

@olldbobbi. I do not agree that the pale green paint sample is flattering to a chocolate brown. Not even cocoa powder brown. Maybe coffee bean brown - a coffee bean has less of a yellow undertone. It might go with one of those dark brown walnut floors with a bit of gray in the finish, because the green seems to have such a gray undertone. Even then, I think it would take a professional designer to be able to pull it off.

I am interested to read what judyg thinks about this.

Thanks eztia. Crimeny, I thought it was blue. See what I mean about not seeing color the same way other people do????

You are so cute, eztia, to include me in the color convo….bobbi, when you say dark chocolate brown…what brown and what are you trying to do with it? For an accent color peek at BM jet stream 814, Stratton blue for a deep contrast, Palladium blue for a " I can live with this color forever", silver gray 2131-60 looks great with brown. What do you want? Love to look at paint colors. We will all have a vote. Definitely take a look at the Affinity colors. If you can match your brown to any brown in that fan, every affinity color will coordinate with your brown.

Oh, judyg, "If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride." If I had a spare room, I would like this one, please! It is so pretty! :)

@judyg. (The bedroom photo you attached above.)

To be continued….zzzzz time.

I'm back, so hot today and did heaps of walking so feet feel worn down to my knees.

Bobbi, I'm sorry you missed your doctor, what a mess that must have been, your roads sound terrible. Can you not find a doctor closer to you? Not that I'm one to talk, my doctor was in 2k up the road, nice and easy, then she left that practice and moved a further 3k away for a few years before her own doctor asked her to join his practice 30 mins away, but right on her doorstep. I've been with her over 20 years and she is so thorough and good, it is hard to change.

I love that Marina Klima bedroom you posted judy. Would never have picked those colours but it looks so nice and very classy. Bobbi, when everyone first started talking bedspreads I was quite anti a Mexican theme, I was worried it would look a bit patronising. Also you will need to be careful it doesn't look too upmarket, like you are showing off (for want of a better description) just find something smart, comfortable and welcoming.

One thing went right for me today, got two more lights. I am really disgusted with how slack everything is getting these days. When I told the guy how many flowers I needed he told me to just go get two more lights. I got the last 2 they had but both had been opened so looked like they had already been returned. Guy just told me to take the whole 4 boxes and see if I could get two lights out of it all and just toss anything I don't need. They are not bringing it to the manufacturer/distributor's attention at all, they just write it off. How bad is that!!! Wonder just how much mark-up they put on things to cover write offs too. Probably costs more in labour to do it any other way too. Now have to sit tonight and finish making them up.

I was cruising a local $2 shop on the way home, they have some nice house decor things, that are inexpensive so you can toss them in a few years, but today they had a whole lot of signs for hanging in the house. Two caught my attention -

My husband needed morespace, so I locked him OUTSIDE.

Women and cats will do as they please,and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea.

Cute???

Hi roo! Yes, I could find a dr closer but I really like mine and I'll switch if I have to but not til then! If that makes sense.

judy, I like the colors in the master bath better than the ones in the master bedroom! I just like white, I think. But you all thought there was too much white in my guest room so I thought I'd sort of branch out and look for another color, and the Ben Moore quiet moments caught my eye. I think I'll stick with white!

roo, you're right. That is a sloppy way of doing business. At least it worked in your favor. Do you have enough pieces and parts now to finish all the flowers and get the lights installed? I like the two signs you found, especially the women and cats sign! Funny!

These are the bedrooms I've saved to my own ideabook, do you sense a common theme???
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bobbi, most of those rooms to me have the beachy look, that I love. Really fresh and clean and cool. I've suddenly gone very into white myself too to sharpen up other colours. The Jamestown Residence bedroom walls look the same colour I have painted my lounge room, the lounge is slightly darker and I have creams with it. I've forgotten the fine details of your room now, how much brown do you have in it? The browns in these photos are pretty minimalist so they don't overpower the light colours. I think putting white with such a deep brown is a bit harsh, I like cream better but then I always feel it is so 70s. This was the room I tried to copy when I ended up with the Puddle and Kangaroo Pouch - it was wrong for my room but might work with your's. It has quite a strong depth of brown without being too dark. [houzz=]
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Actually that whole ideabook had a lot of potential - https://www.houzz.com/magazine/color-guide-how-to-work-with-beige-stsetivw-vs~4670288

Don't forget you can go onto Sherwin Williams website and put photos of your room and play around with colour.

I think the problem with doctors is the older you get the more important it is to have consistency so things don't get missed. My doctor can even pick my problems just by my moods, she knows me so well and I hate the thought of losing that.

I counted one lot of flowers in the shop and had hopefully will have more than I need. Haven't put them together yet, wanted to but they are so awkward to do and I need a lot of space to work and I was just too tired when got home. Will definitely get into them tomorrow. I have to buy an extra globe too, forgot while I was out todday. The shades are very easy to screw on so I can do that myself.

I did prefer the women and cats one.

mornin roo, goodnight roo....lol
bob, love your bedroom pics...very peaceful (the whites and blue and green). my bedroom is so dark, but i like it too. i have the beach porch to sleep in if i want light and airy i guess.
hate it that you didn't make it to doc.
judyg, i love finding old things. when I was 18 years old, i was a landscaper for the summer, and we pulled out this very old hedge at a church. the roots were deep and we found all kinds of things in the dirt. old bottles, someone's wallet believe it or not. pretty cool though. as far as heirlooms, don't have a lot. my mom has 6 brothers and sisters, sooooo, even though i'm the first grandkid, only have a couple of things of my grandparents. some cut glass (a pitcher & juice glass set), silver pitcher, a block print that my grandmother did in art class, a spoon. A retangular brass planter; hammered with feet. I also have chinese/asian painting on silk. My greats were missionaries in china and that's where that came from. In the original frame. Very pretty. When my great grandmother died, my mom and sisters went with my grand to go through her stuff. Soooo wish I had been old enough. She lived in a huge house in louisville, ky. Lots of cool stuff. My great and grandmother were both artists like me. My mom has a painting from the great that I hope I'll inherit one day. Of the ocean. beautiful!
The luckiest thing about my family history (I think), is that we have a lot of history on film. We even have a movie of my grandparents on their wedding day. Talk about cool. In louisville...outside the church after the ceremony. Model T's on the streets, my grands and the wedding party. And my great grandmother was fabulous about writing on the backs of photographs. Tons of them and on the backs, dates, who was in the pic etc. There is a pic that I only have copy of, but love! My great and my grandmother when she was born in a basket. Her mom and older brother looking down at her. And one of my great grandmother swimming with some of her girlfriends in a river or lake or something. Hysterical. Laughing and splashing, full of life in those god awful dress and bloomer outfits they used to have to wear as bathing suits. haha!

roo, thanks for the pics! The Nursery one - that's pretty much the color of the walls now and I can't decide whether or not to paint them. Global Chic is overboard on color for me! And thanks for the ideabook, I think I've seen it but I'll check it out again. This is a treatment I'm considering for the walls, I like it alot, of course I would leave the top half beige: [houzz=]

I agree, having a doctor for the long term is just as important as having the same bank or insurance company. You have a 'history' with them that's invaluable. And, I think she might even be older than me, that's a definite plus!!! And she doesn't nag me about my smoking. She knows my history with panic attacks and quitting smoking, while more healthful, would be stress inducing and perhaps not in my best interest at this time.

I hope you have enough flowers, let us know after you get everything assembled? I must see these, they sound intriguing!

Mendi, you crack me up! All these great memories you all have. My mother didn't believe in saving anything, not momento's, not pictures, pretty much nothing has been handed down. I do, however, still have my giant teddy bear from when I was a kid, I figure he's about 55 years old now!

lol....i do have a lot of memories. you guys have to remember this stuff or save it, because tomorrow, i may be brain dead with old timer's disease and not remember a dang thing! my grandparents had a big influence on me....my parents did not! HA! and my mom is not a big saver of anything either!

The lady next door has had alzheimer's for about five years now. She remembers her dog and her billions of stray cats but not her husband. She keeps asking him when he's going to go home! Sad and funny at the same time, I guess.

my daughter's neighbor's parents are the same way. they are both a hoot. Her mom is in a care facility now and has been rolling herself down the hall to lobby and stealing christmas ornaments off the tree and taking them to her room. they are from jersey bob! HA! but she has no idea who her husband is at all. makes remarks to her daughter about how "fresh" he is towards her...thinks they may be dating, but not sure she likes him.

Yes bobbi, you have seen the ideas book as you made some comments on it including one on Navajo White. Easy to forget though. Do you already have wainscotting on the walls? I love that but it isn't done here and would cost a bomb. BH wouldn't see any sense in it at all and would think I was nuts if suggested it. I would love that white with either the beige in the Nursery or the colour of my loungeroom, depends on the overall effect you want. Also depends on whether the room needs a cool or a warm look. I did my lounge that blue to cool it down and it really does. If you can get away without a paint job that would be so good depending on how long since you last painted.

My doc is younger than me but I don't mind that as I hope she won't up and retire on me, I would hate to really start from scratch although the guy she sees that owns the practice I have seen quite a few times and he is really nice.

AH HA!!! Now you have just said the magic word - smoking!!!!! Therein lies a lot of your sleep problems I bet. When I was working I was smoking like a chimney, especially after work, it was the only way to control the stress and I frequently went all night trying to get some sleep. My average sleep was 3 hours a night. I was on auto pilot most of the time. When I stopped work to care for my mum that was even more stressful, it got to the point I was too scared to sleep because I didn't know what she was going to do next and of course the smoking increased with it. After I put her in a nursing home, formally retired from work and started getting my life in order I went to light up one night, took one puff and tossed it and haven't had one since - that was 6 years ago. It took a couple of months but my sleep improved dramatically after that. I have had a couple of bouts of insomnia in that time but a couple of nights with pills and I'm out like a light all night. I have no inclination to even try one again now.

Smoking definitely doesn't help at all with panic attacks, in fact they make it worse. I concentrated more on breathing and calm thoughts. Have you ever tried Bach Flowers? Read up on it - http://bachflower.com/ Just realised I had forgotten them. They do a pastille that I used to keep in my handbag and pop one under my tongue if I felt a panic attack coming on, and they do a sleep formula - three drops on the tongue about 1/2 hour before bed. Smoking definitely feeds panic attacks, since quitting I don't get them but I still do get touches of anxiety when I try to catch a bus that effects me in other ways. I'm hoping to start therapy in the new year to deal with that and be freely able to travel again.

Your No 1 priority is getting to the bottom of your stress and panic attacks. If you know what is causing your stress then you have to start to deal with it and not by smoking. It really is a vicious spiral, you are on the downward one, it is working out how to stop it and turn it around to an upward spiral. Very hard to do and will take a lot of mental effort on your part. Do you do much walking? Try going for a 1/2 hour walk early after dinner each night, not too late or it can keep you awake too. A half hour walk in the morning will help start your day more relaxed too. Walking will not so much tire you out, it will calm you down . Tai Chi is another good thing to do.

I sent you the link to the lights http://www.bunnings.com.au/products_product_light-shade-polypropylen-rouge-3d-floral-lily-tfhpllilyw_P7070956.aspx?filter=categoryname--Pendant+Lights&page=4 If you put your cursor on the picture it will enlarge it more.

roo, that's a pretty light, not that much different than the one I have. The boob light I need to replace is almost flush, I need to go that way again because of earthquakes. I don't want anything hanging over the bed! Although they say we're not on a fault line......

My panic attacks stem from a pretty good car accident I had but now I don't even need to be in the car to have one. The holidays aren't helping much!

And I can hardly remember a time when I didn't smoke, so I don't think that's the cause of not sleeping. I really believe it's stress, and all the unfinished projects we have going. They weigh heavy on my mind. And hereditary, my mother had them too. I like to walk, maybe I'll try that with R and Rocky the Wonder Dog.

Can't stand Navajo White! To me it was the white of the 80's. And I don't already have wainscotting, but if you check that pic out closely you'll see it's faux wainscotting. It's just a bunch of boards and the whole lower is painted white! Very clever, I think.

Mendi, your daughter's neighbors sound like a hoot! Stealing ornaments and taking them to her room, good for her, you go girl!

MP you sure have a lot of fabulous history, wish I had a lot like that. I did sit my mum down about 5 years before she started going off the planet and got photos labelled. My dad died 40 years ago so I hadn't even started to think family history back then and all I have are photos of goodness knows who. Mum was really jealous of his friends pre their marriage - she was actually jealous of everyone - so just dismissed all my questions about those photos.

I am an avid scrapbooker and I am trying to put as much on paper as I can. Just to write stories you know and add photos makes it all so much more interesting than just labelling so when you get old timer's disease you can read up and refresh your memory - for the 5 mins you will retain it anyway.

The funniest incident I had with mum that still makes me laugh was one night she was adamant she didn't need her wheel chair and when I finally got her in it, she threw herself out of it. She had huge bruising on her shins that nurses were treating every day, which she made worse plus she cut her finger. The next day when the nurse arrived to treat her legs, he noticed the bandage on her finger and asked her what she had done to it. When mum was angry or not happy about something she would really tighten her lips and snap at everyone one so when the nurse asked her about her finger, the lips tightened and she snapped "I don't know, I wasn't here" I nearly burst trying to hold the laughter in.

Another time she was in hospital for some reason and fixed onto a volunteer lady who she decided was her best friend and when I visited her she told me all about this woman and how she had made all the curtains in the hosital, and also she lived just around the corner from the house I grew up in and she had taken mum out of the hospital to visit her home. I got a bit angry with the woman, for a volunteer she had no concept of dementia at all and was arguing the point with mum and getting very angry with her, despite me madly signalling her to let it go. Anyway then mum decided that the woman had also just been married and was telling me all about the beautiful red bridal dress she had worn and added that there was a photo up in the hospital of her in the red dress. Eventually she found the "photo" - it was the fire extinguisher sign!!

Oh, God, roo that's funny and scary all at the same time. I had a boss tell me once, the reason he smoked was to avoid the diaper and denture crowd. I think there's a lot to be said for that! My neighbor with alzheimer's also has uterin cancer and the day after surgery she was outside, raking leaves, her pink sweatpants stained with blood and God knows what else. No thank you. I have no interest in living to that state, that's not living, it's existing.

Glad you like the light bobbi, I know it will be a dust collector but I have a type of a feather duster that if I flick over it a couple of times a week, I think I will keep it under control. Those boob lights crack me up every time I see them now.

Trust me, and I meant this kindly, you are making too many excuses for yourself. As you get older and particularly post menopause your body does change, it is those damned hormones, and things that were never a problem suddenly can be. I have smoked on and off since I was 18 too and it has only bothered me in the last 10 years. The car accident can actually be growing in your mind, again age does make you more cautious and fearful of things. You need a therapist - one who will help you without drugs - to work through that accident and get it under control in your mind. Now I think about it too, you don't speak kindly of your mum, research has recently uncovered a new problem that is very prevalent in our age group too called "Narcissistic Mother Syndrome" - check it out http://www.lovelightandinsight.com/?p=293 This is just one of many sites on this. I had never even considered this was an issue for me until another family member had a breakdown because of her mother and suddenly many things started to make sense.

I don't mean to sound like I am trying to turn you into a hypochrondriac or anything but don't try to be tough and dismiss things too lightly, AGE is the biggest factor and why things come out more as we get older. Events in your life that you didn't think twice about 30-40 years ago can suddenly become major issues and if you are prone to anxiety, then you need to learn how to control and contain it, even totally dismiss it altogether. . .

Heredity can certainly play a major part, but again therapy can help there too, the cycle can be broken. I always said if my mother woke up in the morning and didn't have something to worry about she would worry all day. The projects you have in progress should be fun, again a therapist will help you put the fun back in projects, get things into perspective and not stress over them. Think about your unfinished projects and what is the worst case scenario if you don't finish them this week, this month or 6 months from now - will the World end if you don't????

I do hope you can get back to your doctor soon, there is a lot here for your to talk to her about. Hope you can get your walks in, dogs are great excuse and again very therapeutic,

Sounds like here, where they leave people in their homes too long without proper supervision. We are just starting with BH's mother now. She was always into quality China dinnersets and accessories and now regular stocktakes the china cabinet and is adamant someone is coming in and stealing from it as she doesn't remember all the things that have been broken over the years.

I could almost write a book on nursing home life, mum had a guy in her's who would have power naps a dozen times a day but just plonk himself in anyone's bed and doze off. Mum found him in her bed one day so picked up her jug of water and threw it at him. The next day he was wandering past her room and suddenly dashed in, picked the jug up an threw it at her. Nurses had to break them up.

The good thing bobbi, is that if you get to that stage you don't know about it. I know mum would have been mortified if she knew how she was living in her last few years. My doctor even warned me that mum could go so far back in time she would think I was her mother. Thankfully she only got as far back as being at school and used to tell me all the naughty things she had done and how she kept escaping detention. Every other person's daughter in the home had the same name as me which got very confusing as a couple of times they actually did.

Time Roo hit the sack................. hooroo till tomorrow.

roo, you're right, when you hit that stage you don't know about it and isn't that a blessing?

I've seen two therapists re the panic attacks and got the EXACT same reaction from both of them. First, they yawned (I guess I'm boring!!!) then they both told me what a strong person I am and how I will do just fine. Uh huh.

Oh hell, bobbi, that is terrible, I'm so sorry you have had such bad experiences. It is as bad as people telling you to just get over it - I could slap them sometimes. Sadly there are good and bad in therapists and finding the right one is not easy. Did your doctor refer you? She should know reliable people. If not ask around as much as you can, even phone and ask the type of treatment they use, that should give you clues, but please don't give up. Interestingly too, I have noted over the years that it is the strong people who do seem to fall the hardest when they fall and often the reason they are neglected because of their strength. Take heart, this is serious and people have to take you seriously. Tears and tantrums are good!!!

Lets leave it now, I know just talking for too long can make you feel worse, just promise me you won't give up.

Thanks, roo, I promise. I have an excellent support system with R and with all my lovely OLLD's!!!

bobbi, ask for a 24hr urine collection. Something can be determined from that test. Easy to do on Sunday and run it into the lab on Monday.

WHAT????? What are you talking about???? Sorry.

Panic attacks often have to do with epinephrine levels. That shows in a urine collection. Simple test, you just have to stay close to home for 24 hrs. Been there. If the tests come back normal, you may just need a med that will address/control the frequency of the panic attacks.

I have done that test. They give you all the stuff you need. Just do your business in a pan that fits across the seat, transfer it into the provided container and keep it in the refrigerator until the specified time the next day, when you take it directly to the lab.

P.S. I have been told that panic attacks are a hereditary condition.

I don't think so! And I used to take meds for the attacks but the side effects are too harsh. Excessive sweating, combined with hot flashes and the unbelievable desert heat we get here, I felt like I was going to self-combust! And they are hereditary, my mother had them too.

Thanks for being concerned, my friends, I've had them for so long it's ridiculous!

All meds for anxiety and depression have lengthy lists of side effects and effect everyone differently. I refuse to take any of them.

I don't think panic attacks themselves are hereditary, it is the mental and emotional makeup that makes people more prone to attacks. As much as my mother was a worrier and a panic merchant she never suffered from panic attacks. Maybe she carried on so much, nothing actually built up inside her, where I was always in far more in control and didn't let things out enough.