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Heating (zone) problem

11 years ago

Hello,
I have a boiler with three zones (honeywell).
Yesterday, I had no heat to my second floor but my basement and first floor were fine.
My boiler pressure was approx. 25psi and temp approx. 170 degrees.
All three zones appeared to be working fine but I had a cold return on my second floor at the zone.
I turned off power to the system, allowed the system to cool to approx 100 degrees and attempted to bleed the system.
Basement first, then first floor with no problems but the second floor did not seem to have good flow through the loop ( barely a trickle).
I removed the front of the second floor zone and opened the valve manually but still no difference in flow.
I assumed a failure inside the zone housing so I replaced the entire valve and have the exact same problem.
It is as if there is an obstruction in the loop.
Also, with the system running and calling for heat, if I shut off the power at the emergency shut off switch, I get a backflow up through the zone of hot water.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
Steve

Comments (3)

  • 11 years ago

    Might you have a defective check valve, air vent or other component such as a differential pressure bypass valve or zone valve control? Is the expansion tank properly pressurized? Do you have just 1-circulator and is it a single speed or multi speed?

    Have you tried closing the zone valves for the basement & 1st floor and then bleeding the 2nd floor zone when the system is at operating temperature?

    Just wonderingâ¦

    SR

  • 11 years ago

    Hello SR,
    The only check valve is on the make-up water, no differential, expantion tank is properly pressurized, single stage circ.

    I was sure to close zones when bleeding and only open one at a time.

    I did resolve the problem..Instead of allowing the system to cool down prior to bleeding, I bled the system at operating temperature and for some reason the second floor zone bled normally and is now functioning properly.
    I have always believed that it is not a good practice to bleed at operating temperature because of the difference in temperature of the make-up water..Flooding a hot cast system with cold make-up water etc.
    Why would bleeding at temp have been effective and bleeding below temp not effective when I bled at the same pressure each time? Odd.
    Thank you for your help.
    Steve

    This post was edited by Harleyfxr on Tue, Jan 6, 15 at 6:04

  • 11 years ago

    Most effective bleeding is done at high temperature due to the fluidâÂÂs inability to retain dissolved gases at higher temperatures. This is why I suggested bleeding at operating temperature. Cracking cast iron components is not a great concern as there will be a mixing of the incoming water with existing fluids to temper the thermal shock.

    You should have an air removal device between the boiler (air & dirt separator would even be better) and the circulator and another air removal vent at the high point of the vertical riser supplying fluid to zones above the basement.

    SR