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Information Overload! Help with appliances, please!

11 years ago

I'm new to posting here, but have been lurking, reading, and researching for a while now. I've learned a lot from all the forums, and have just secured a great custom cabinet maker for my kitchen remodel. I have chosen flooring, countertop material, wood species, design, extra add-ons for the cabinets, pulls/knobs and even backsplash and paint colors. Whew! Exhausting and exciting but now.....Appliances! I am so overwhelmed by everything I read! I would love to save a bit by going with an appliance package, (I hear the groans!) but...I know that is not the best choice. (see I have been paying attention!) So, I am willing to not go all matchy-matchy and buy what is best in each category. I like to cook, LOVE to bake and it's usually just DH and I most days, with family on weekends. My budget won't allow for high end professional models of everything so here's what I'm contemplating:

Bosch- 30"Induction cooktop and wall oven with either steam oven on top or the speed oven/convection on top. (DH likes the microwave for reheating/heating quick lunches-so probably the latter) I want the top one to replace countertop MW and a small convection/broiler countertop oven.

DW-I currently have a Bosch (less than 2 yrs old) so will probably keep, even though I hate it. (Cleans great, is quiet, but HATE loading it).

Refrigerator- I need a 33" due to space. Freezer on the bottom/ without ice & water in door. Need help here, please! So much info, too many conflicting reviews.

Built-in Wine fridge- ??? And finally- a hood!

What do you think? Any better choices? Which line of Bosch: 500, 800, Benchmark?


Comments (3)

  • 11 years ago

    You can probably get a good deal if you buy all your appliances at one time from an independent dealer. If you don't have a designer or contractor, your cabinetmaker might be able to get you a contractor's discount, too.

    A steam oven takes a little longer but does a far superior job for heating up lunches than a microwave. If it works with the budget/layout, I'd get the steam oven and a small countertop microwave instead of the countertop oven and built in speed oven or microwave.

    With a hood you have a number of decisions to make. First off you need to know what kind of cooktop (gas, electric, induction?) and its power. The best size for the hood is 3" bigger than the cooktop on all sides, so if there's a wall in back and three open sides, you'd add 3" to the depth for the front, and 6" to the length for the right and left. Most people find 600 cfm (cubic feet per minute) adequate for an ordinary cooktop. Add more power, especially with gas, and you may want more. You also have to consider what kind of filters (baffle, mesh or drum), what kind of lighting (how many lights, location, halogen or LED), and whether you want (and can have) a remote blower. You also need to consider duct size and make up air. Once you've nailed down the details you do know, try starting a thread just about your hood for more help. Oh, and you also need to know if you want a decorative hood, a small undercabinet hood, or a custom hood housing with a liner/insert.

    As to built-in wine fridges, a lot depends on how much wine you have and what your needs are. "Beverage centers" are usually compromises that don't really have the right temperature for anything but aging homemade cheese. :) Some dual zone wine fridges work pretty well. Lots of people only need a fridge for whites and have basement or something that stays the right temp for reds from the insulation of the earth. Considerations for the fridge are immediate use vs. long term storage, humidity, temperature setting range, temperature drift range (i.e., precision at holding an exact temp), how the heat vents, noise, etc.

    Choices? You've only mentioned a vague brand for the ovens and unspecified cooktop. Narrow down the features you want and see who has them. Make a list of two or three choices per category and winnow it down from there.


  • 11 years ago

    Thanks, plllog, I've been thinking the steam oven was the best choice, but I just don't want a microwave on the counter. I think I could be really happy with the steam oven as the 2nd oven, but DH is a tough cookie to convince to give up the microwave all together. Your right though, a small microwave may sway him enough, and it wouldn't be nearly as big as the huge one I have now. I'll have to think on that. Kitchen is smallish, L-shape and I'm going with a movable island because of flow and space constraints, so keeping as little as possible on counters is a must for me. I had contemplated double ovens with microwave built in above, (yes, high I know) we are both tall, but decided that perhaps 2 ovens weren't really necessary for us. What's your thoughts on the Bosch Wall Oven and Steam Oven? Any experience? I think I have to go with the Benchmark line to make that combination. Runs around $5700.

    I'm thinking the Bosch Benchmark induction cooktop in the 30" w/flexinduction zone. I had NO idea that the hood needed so much thought! I have electric coil range now, and to be honest I hardly ever use the hood. (80's builder grade slide in range/hood)

    As far as the wine fridge, we want 2 zones and it needs to hold about 20 bottles. Not for long term storage, just for short term :)!

    As far as a contractor's discount from my cabinetmaker, probably not....He's a local Amish craftsman who is doing custom sizes and built-ins for less than I could get semi-custom.

  • 11 years ago

    I'm trying to figure out why a microwave on the counter is different from a convection oven on the counter. The steam oven would work as a smaller secondary oven. Unless you meant for toast? The only thing that makes good toast is an appliance made with toast as the number one function, though some of those also will do other oven tasks.

    Re the discount, it comes from the store. Most stores have 10-20% discounts for the trade. That's contractors, designers, etc. You might be able to talk them into it just because you're doing a whole kitchen. Or, if your Amish craftsman has a license, you should be able to give the number to the store as proof without dragging the poor guy there. Since you want to keep your dishwasher, say so up front, because a free dishwasher is a common form of appliance discounting.

    A good hood makes a huge difference in the interior climate, whisking away moisture, grease and smells. A poor hood doesn't do enough for you to remember to turn it on. While you're replacing it, however, you might as well do it right. There are many many good hood threads here where you can familiarize yourself with the variables, and some highly knowledgeable people who can answer your questions with some exactitude.

    Bosch is a well regarded, mid-range brand. There are also a lot of Bosch threads as well. I don't have any experience with them myself, but many here do. Not as much about Benchmark because it's so new, but the information has been trickling in.

    For the kind of wine fridge you're talking about, the choices are basically poor performance, loud and quiet. :) If this is going in a great room where you'll be watching movies or having romantic dinners (i.e., quiet time), quiet becomes a big deal. In a separate kitchen, however, where there's usually a lot going on, many people don't think it's worth the money to go for very quiet.