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11 years ago
last modified: 11 years ago

Hello. My first time posting here. I guess I'm a novice but no longer a newb.

Anyhoo, my tomatoes.. Have a lot more seedlings than intended so I must place them in an area of the garden I am insecure from potential diseases from where watermelon and gourd plants were infested with squash bugs last year. I've no idea what diseases but by the looks of their leaves I considered the area contaminated. I did not have a chance to get it cleaned up last fall.

I've no choice but try tomatoes in that soil. It's good soil, btw. Tested perfect except for high nitro feeders like wheat and corn. I use hay as mulch for no-till gardening in my clay loam soil. I certainly will clean up the area and also hand till to loosen the soil and whatever while amending with bunny berries, bunny stock, some compost and maybe some fish or something buried deep - you know, everything a tomato plant needs to fend for itself best. Placing at 32" to 36" apart in a variegated pattern in accordance to the local wind/breezes. Otherwise, this will be a mass planting.

Local clime: Oklahoma, high daily winds, stress-inducing direct sun/heat that dries the top soil quickly on a gentle slope, open trellising system, maintenance to include ensuring branches and leaves are not touching the ground. I will be hand watering these bad boys.

When I plant tomatoes here, is it appropriate for me to consider placing cardboard beneath the tomato plants to help contain spread of disease? Do I have everything covered or is there something else I can do?

TIA

bon

Comments (14)

  • 11 years ago

    Hi bon - first if there was an infestation of squash bugs that went untreated then the odds are 9:1 they where what did in your plant leaves, not any disease.

    Second, if there was some 'disease', few if any of the common garden diseases (or pests for that matter) carry over from one family of vegetables to another. With a few exceptions they remain within the family. That is what allows us to effectively rotate crops when necessary. Tomatoes are members of a very different family from squash.

    Third, since most common tomato diseases are also airborne even more so than soil-borne, IF yours get a disease this year the odds are it would be airborne, not from the squash soil area.

    Mulch for any plants is always a good idea and while cardboard may not be the best it is better than none at all. Cardboard's primary benefit is keeping down weeds so topping it with hay works well for both.

    Do you have everything covered? Wellll that all depends on if you are willing to use fungicides to prevent the common tomato diseases or not. When the weather doesn't cooperate with us, which it seldom does, regular use of fungicides is the only way improve your odds of preventing the most common tomato diseases. If you opt to use fungicides (many discussions here about them) then of course the plants couldn't be left to fend for themselves. But then they rarely can be. :)

    Dave

    PS: welcome to the forum too!

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  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Ahh I see hoosier beat me to it on the fungicides.

    chickencoupe thanked digdirt2
  • 11 years ago

    Hoosier,
    thank you. I'm in central Oklahoma just a tad to the north and right on the zoning line between 6b and 7a and the weather acts like it. Fortunately, it's not a tornado magnet (knock on wood). But we now have earthquakes to make up for the lack of tornadoes.

    Dave
    Thank you so much. I forgot about diseases being species quarantined and also that many pathogens are airborne.


    The cardboard will help moisture needs as this slope dries quickly. I recall the rich clay loam being as far as 5" deep. Everything I plant there takes a bit to establish and then, boom, it grows like crazy. I was worried that placing cardboard might contribute to an unknown problem. I appreciate the replies and will look at the fungicides threads. We've had a wet year, so far.

  • 11 years ago

    Hi All, question; Is daconil considered a fungicide or a preventive? I've used it every year for the whole growing season with excellent results.

  • 11 years ago

    Jbann,
    Daconil is both fungicide AND preventive.
    It is much effective to spray to prevent the fungal/bacterial diseases, rather than after infestation trying to fight them, which often won't be a cure. .
    So unlike pesticides ( used after identifying the pests) , fungicides are used even without the existence of disease, on some kind of regular schedule.

    I will start spraying my tomatoes with Daconil right after plant our, once every 2 weeks.
    AN OUNCE OF PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN A POUND OF CURE !


  • 11 years ago

    Good analogy with the pesticides.

    Daconil is a fungicide. It has a preventative role IF and only IF it is applied prior to the fungus spores contact the leaf surface as it prevents them from attaching. That's the reason why spraying it from the first day of plant-out and especially so when conditions are conducive to fungal growth.

    Once the disease has set in it, like all fungicides, it becomes a control agent only. Not a preventative and not a cure.

    Dave

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  • 11 years ago

    Where do you guys buy your Daconil I'm having a hard time finding it in the big box stores. I'm using Ortho garden disease control now but would like to use Daconil.

  • 11 years ago

    Ortho Garden Disease Control and Daconil are the same chemical - Chlorothalonil - just different brand names. There are several brand names. Around here you can easily find the Daconil brand at Home Depot, Lowes, even Walmart in the red plastic bottle.

    Dave

  • 11 years ago

    Yes. Mine is NOT daconile but Ortho.
    Read the ingredients .
    One more thing: It is economical to buy the concentrate , rather than ready to spray bottle.


    Seysonn

  • 11 years ago

    When buying Ortho be sure to look at ingredients. You'll want 29% Chlorothalonil for it to be strong enough to compare to Daconil. Start spraying early and don't relent.

  • 11 years ago

    This forum is so helpful. I've never used the daconil from plantout before and have always had issues. This year I'll spray them when they go out.


  • 11 years ago

    I got a lot of really good advice here and would like to thank all of you. THANKS

  • 11 years ago

    BUMP.

    Talking about avoiding disease .. rather than trying to fight it.
    I like this old saying:

    AN OUNCE OF PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN A POUND OF CURE.

    Having said that I have put in place a fungiciding schedule. Weather permitting I will spray every 10 to 15 days.
    First spray : May 1st, 2015
    Second spray May 15th, 2015.
    The reason for delay was rainy weather..
    I have a log and write down the dates that I spray. It is nailed on the wall of my tool room.

    Do you have a prevention schedule ? How do you do it ? what do you Spray with?
    I have 3 kinds of fungicide : (1) Daconil (2) Neem Oil (3) Copper fungicide. .
    So far I have used Daconile. The next time I will use Copper Fungicide and then maybe Neem Oil.

    Sey


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