It's going to be funny when it turns out to be an earlier Austin rose... Kim

:)

The prickles, foliage, shape and color are not quite right for a "Tea", but they ARE rather appropriate for quite a few English roses....Kim

In my limited experience the prickles do seem wrong for a Tea. I see what you mean about it looking like an English rose. Actually, I think I did experience a similar fragrance on an Austin rose last summer. Drawing a blank on the name right now. Do any Austins have nodding heads?

Perdita may be the fragrance I am thinking of.

Take a look at Cressida on HMF

perhaps Geoff Hamilton?

I can see similarities with Geoff Hamilton and Cressida. Geoff Hamilton is supposed to be thornless though. The leaves seem darker and glossier on both. Cressida seems closer but mine doesn't have as much yellow in the blush portions, it's mostly isolated at the base of the petals. I suppose there could be some variation. The English idea is intriguing but I'm still kind of hung up on the nodding head. It seems like that would be considered undesirable in a modern rose.

Yeah, but many of the Austins "nod." So that's not a determining factor. Here's a rose we found at a historic church in an old Gold Rush town. I think it turned out to be 'Gertrude Jekyll.'
We sort of thought the leaves didn't look right. :-)
But you will see that this bloom nods quite nicely.

OK Jeri, I didn't know there were nodding Austins.

Many of the "climbing" Austins nod. It's due to overly long, thin, weaker peduncles and large, heavy, very double flowers. Many older HTs do, too, particularly any closely related to Charlotte Armstrong. Kim

Also reminds me a bit of Abraham Darby, though that ones supposed to be relativity thorn less as well. Really lovely rose you found. I hope you can gets some seeds or even better a cutting of it.

I wish I could find a list of all the older Austins that may no longer be in commerce. I'd be curious to see what visable traits were bred out and what was improved upon.

Not Perdita, that is much more white. Not AD, as Kim said, that is thorny, but not those kind of thorns and the flower is different.

Shropshire Lad?

No, no way this can be A Shropshire Lad.

Perdita was one of the first of the "floribunda-type" Austin released. It isn't the "Dr. Huey" type grower so many have been. What we're seeing is more of a Bourbon to HP growth habit, which here, translates in to semi-climbing and nothing suitable for the traditional "rose bed". That was one of the major complaints about that growth habit in the first place. Kim

Janet?

By the way, I was only comparing the scent of this rose to Perdita. Maybe.

Janet is too yellow overall.

Not Geoff Hamilton or Abe Darby. I lean towards Cressida which I saw a few years ago. The look of the flowers and leaves seem right; I don't remember what the prickles were like.

Since there is an intertwined rose, are we sure the prickly cane belongs to the rose you're trying to identify. When I saw the first picture my thought as Duchesse de Brabant until you mentioned a yellow tinge which DdB does not have. It also doesn't have horribly prickly canes but then the canes in some of the pictures are also smooth.

I'm going with 'Jude the Obscure'.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.261827

I am pretty sure I traced the correct rose back to the base but they were quite tangled and it's certainly possible I am wrong.

Jude seems close. I didn't see much nodding with Jude on HMF and it's only supposed to be 4 feet tall. This was easily twice that height. Of course now there are so many details I will be looking for the next time I'm there, which is probably not for 5 months or so.

If anyone in the area wants the address I can give it to you.

Sorry Jerri the rose is not gertrude m the leaves, the colour and SHAPE are not right

Could it be Eden? Don't think it is Jude the Obscure - that is more yellow.

I think Jude is a good guess. It is notorious for growing taller than four feet and it does indeed nod. The latest commenter on HMF also stated that JTO grows large thorns on old canes.

I don t think it is , the leaves of Jude are more shiny, and the shape of the flowers are more cupped than this one, and the way it changes colour I don t match

Overall the Austins suggested do seem shinier, darker and more leathery in the leaves.

What about an earlier Austin, someone recently posted picks of Evelyn and I think they looks similar. Though some of the pictures of the blooms have button eyes but not all....

Seeingreen, There are a lot more photos you can use for comparison if you Google:

helpmefind followed by the name of the rose you're looking for

There is also a good basic description of each rose, and member comments (click on the tabs at the top for Photos and Comments.

Hope this helps

Comtesse :¬)

Comtesse I am a paying member of helpmefind and I am well aware of using google for comparison. I just mentioned the last rose because Someone shared an image on facebook, which I then compared to the description helpmefind, it seemed similar.

though it still has darker glossier leaves :/

Quite sure is neither Jude nor Evelyn , truly spectacular roses

Maybe it s a stupid idea but Austin used Conrad f Meyer to have the strenght of the rugosa and the beauty of the Noisettes ( cfm is an offspring of gloire de Dijon ), the prickles are somewhat reminiscent even in a minor scale of cfm. Maybe an Austin with the rugosa as a parent ?

Actually Cressida could be a good idea even if don t think it is , but can be a rose of that time