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help please!?! renovating deformed seedlings

11 years ago
last modified: 11 years ago

My tomato seedlings are all suffering from varying degrees of curled and deformed new growth. I'm not sure if this is due to a nutrient deficiency (wet weather has delayed their transplant for a while), or to the blasted winged aphids (which got in a few days of rampant feeding before I ID'd them). I suspect a little of both. I have 5 in the ground, 4 in buckets (all deep planted and fertilized a week ago), and 20 still in individual cups waiting to be planted, hopefully tomorrow. My question is this: can / should I top these plants and train a sucker to grow as the new top? I don't know if that's the recommended way to handle it, but my instinct is telling me to get rid of the unhealthy growth to focus on roots, stem thickening, and healthy new greenery. The new sucker growth looks more normal than anything going on at the terminal bud. Does this sound like a good idea or am I nuts?

Any advice is so much appreciated! I am pretty new to gardening, and this is my first year on such a big scale. Learning a lot, and trying not to kill everything in the meantime!

Comments (14)

  • 11 years ago

    I can't say I'd be surprised. I moved recently to a windy suburb of OKC and I doubt the lawn care crews around here are much concerned with the condition of my tomatoes. It would also explain a few other things around here, as the poor peas are stunted and suffering for no apparent reason, and the peppers' and potatoes' new growth is distorted or cupped, with hooked tips. All of this I'd simply attributed to aphids.

    Would you prune off the distorted growth, or just let it ride? They're showing some signs of life at the suckers so I think they'll bounce back either way. I'm gardening on a tight budget this year, so if I can nurse them through it and not have to replace 'em, I'll do that.

    Thanks for your time!

  • 11 years ago

    Yeah, I'd try to rehab, nothing to lose. Are they going to stop spraying? The problem might just continue though.

  • 11 years ago

    I see in the last picture, your seedlings still in cold drink cups.
    How did they get herbicide draft ? were they outside in the yard in that stage ? I am asking this because the have the signs of the same symptom while in the cup.

    Sey


  • 11 years ago

    It does look like herbacide drift, most of them should bounce back, unless they keep spraying. I've never had to trim off growth, and would not want them exposed to infection while in that state.

    Try to keep this in mind for next season, your starts may need to be sheltered for a longer time, and planted out a couple of weeks later, hopefully after lawn weed-and-feed season has passed.

    Good luck either way.

    Steve

  • 11 years ago

    You can trim off the worst of the damaged branches back to about 1/2" from the main stem if you wish but it isn't necessary. It is one way to help monitor for new exposure and hopefully put an end to that. And if they are indeterminate variety plants new growth will usually develop from the node below the cut. If they are determinate varieties I'd just leave it or only trim the tips of the leaf branches.

    Given the sun exposure in all the photos I am assuming all these plants are outside, even the ones in the cups. If that isn't the case then you need to look for additional causes on the inside plants. Aphids can cause a similar appearance on inside plants but usually not this severe.

    Dave

  • 11 years ago

    Just curious, what potting soil are you using?


  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    This could be due to contaminated organic matter and that includes compost, manures, and potting mix.

    See this info: contaminated OM: effects & bio-assay

  • 11 years ago

    IMO, herbicide drift is not conclusive.
    OP mentioned severe aphids infestation, also affecting potatoes..etc.. Then, who would use herbicide so early in the season with lots of rain ?(as OP stated).
    Cara has raised an interesting question:
    How about the potting soil being contaminated ?
    That remains as anther possibility too.
    So here are 3 possibilities:

    1. Aphids

    2. Herbicide Drift

    3. contaminated potting soil

    JMO

    Sey

  • 11 years ago
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    "Then, who would use herbicide so early in the season with lots of rain ?(as OP stated)."

    It's not early for herbicide applications. Right now in my yard the dandelions and violets are blooming, thistles are sprouting new shoots that I keep hoeing off, creeping charlie is trying to take over the world, and there is the chickweed and many other weeds that I don't know the names of that are growing. And the OP is in a warmer area than I am so they've probably had weeds growing for at least a few weeks earlier. Doesn't make sense to apply herbicides with rain but most lawn care companies don't really care about that they just want to get it done.

    Not saying for sure that it is herbicide drift but the possibility is there especially since it looks like the OP's plants are outside.

    Rodney

  • 11 years ago

    Doing a bio-assay will resolve the question of where the herbicide came from.


  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    <So here are 3 possibilities:

    Aphids, Herbicide Drift, contaminated potting soil>

    Aphids infestation would have to be so severe as to be terminal to cause this much obvious damage. The plants would be literally crawling with them. Yet even when you blow the pics up there are no signs of any aphids. So could it be aphids? Possibly but you sure should be able to see them.

    Contaminated potting soil damage would have shown up MUCH earlier in the plants growth cycle I think. There would be no normal growth on the plants as is shown in the pics except maybe the first one. Plants don't grow normally in contaminated mix and then just suddenly go all wonky.

    Dave


  • 11 years ago

    It would have just shown up if potted up with a new bag.

    I asked since I had some tomatoes I potted up in Miracle Gro's Nature's Care organic line, and I believe the soil had herbicide contamination. My tomatoes looked like her pictures. This was entirely indoors and the tomatoes that were not potted in that soil did not have the problem.

    I also then made the mistake of not cleaning my trays and wasn't paying attention to the ones that I had used when potting up the ones that I believe were in contaminated, and just grabbed a tray for some new seedlings. The tray had some potting soil in the bottom ridges. The seedlings in that tray all showed the same signs. Toms in a different tray directly next to them nothing. Moved these guys to a clean tray, but damage was done. And I get to wear a dunce cap for being lazy and not cleaning my trays.


  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    jean001a(Portland OR 7b)

    Doing a bio-assay will resolve the question of where the herbicide came from.

    8888***********************88888

    EXACTLY. Where did it come from ?

    It is not established that herbicide was used, yet.
    Did OP apply herbicide in his property ?

    Did OP see a neighbor's property being treated with herbicide ?

    Also the potting soil is not cleared up yet.

    Where is Megen ? HMMM.

    Sey