rose Identification

11 years ago

last modified: 11 years ago

Hello I am trying to ID this rose,,and have done extensive research online trying to find out what it is,, it has been on our property for more than 30 years I know of, where it came from I have no clue,, from looks its appears to be a Tuscany (Old Velvet Rose) but everything I read says it really shouldn't have thorns nor should it be a climber,, this thing was cut last fall to a 4-5 foot bush and now has climbed almost 20 feet up my walls, so unless I am mistaken it makes it a climber,, when I first got here it had almost 40 foot vines/branches on it,, other reading points me to Moss rose? but says they only came into existence around 2003 so that rules that out,, also it only blooms once a year right about now and is starting to as we speak,,so that kinda rules the Moss rose out as well, there is so much conflicting reading I find not sure what to do,, what can I do to properly Identify this thing? Thank you in advance to anyone that might be able to help.

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11 years ago

Dr. Huey. Rootstock rose.

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Steve Crawford
Original Author
11 years ago
Sophie Wheeler would there be a distinguishing factor for which I can identify to ensure that is what this is?
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User
11 years ago
He's a well familiar sight in spring in the northern parts of the country. Tender hybrid teas don't survive the winters, but the rootstock does. There are a gazillion pics on Helpmefind that show him.
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monarda_gw
3 years ago
I'd also say Dr. Huey has a short blooming season, in my experience, but maybe I didn't take the time to look at it.

Someone on Helpmefind says it has a long spring season and others say that if it is well cared for it can be spectacular.

The link is to a huge specimen grown on a pergola in Australia.

https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.106132
fig_insanity Z7b E TN
3 years ago
This is a seven year old thread, but I agree it's probably (almost definitely) Dr Huey, though I'm amazed the OP got a Spring flush after pruning it in the Fall. Evidently there was plenty of last year's growth left after pruning that still bore potential buds. It's also very large for a Dr Huey. 20 foot canes is a monster for the type.

No, this couldn't possibly have been a moss rose, as it has no "moss", which is a mutation that causes fuzzy glandular growths on the buds and sepals and pedicels.

Off topic, possibly, but I'm confused about the statement made about moss roses: "...they only came into existence around 2003". Moss roses as a type have been around since at least the late 1600's, when a centifolia rose appeared with the mutation of pine-scented glands on the buds. There was a craze for moss roses in the 1800's, with dozens being named, most now lost. Ralph Moore famously bred many modern moss roses throughout the second half of the 20th century, including the first yellow moss, 'Goldmoss', in the 70's. 'Dawn Crest' is one of my favorites of Ralph's moss roses, though he himself didn't think it measured up.

One *particular* red moss rose may have been bred in 2003 (the OP may have even been reading about one of Ralph's roses), but trust me, moss roses have been around a lonnnnng time, lol.
Lou Lou
3 years ago
It’s probably “la Belle sultane”. Magnificent!
Lou Lou
3 years ago
What do you think?
Lou Lou
3 years ago
La belle sultane.
Lou Lou
3 years ago
La belle sultane
fig_insanity Z7b E TN
3 years ago
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@Lou Lou Did you read where the original poster says his rose had canes 20-40 feet long before he pruned it? Even accounting for some exaggeration, that couldn't be La Belle Sultane. LBS is a moderate shrub, not a climbing rose, with a maximum of about 6 to 7 feet tall (though mine has never gotten that large).