I got a reply today. They seemed to think I had an HE machine even though I did not tell them that in the email. Wisk is made by Sun Products so they refer to all of their products.

Thank you for contacting us regarding Wisk Detergent.

The following information should help you
determine the right detergent to use in your HE machine: ‘all’ Brand
Detergents
All variants of our liquid detergents are now HE
compatible, meaning that all of the products can be used in both standard and HE
machines. All formulations across the ""all"" brand, are now low
sudsing. Dosing measurements are the same for standard and HE machines.

Sun Brand Detergents
All variants of Sun
Laundry Liquids are HE compatible, meaning all of the products can be used in
standard and HE machines. The formulations are all low-sudsing. Dosing
measurements are the same for standard and HE machines.
Wisk
Detergents
All Wisk Laundry Liquids are safe to use in
standard and HE machines, EXCEPT Wisk Deep Clean Original which is just for
standard machines. Formulas that are safe for both standard and HE machines are
low-sudsing. Dosing measurements are the same for standard and HE
machines.
Powder Detergents
NONE OF THE
POWDER DETERGENTS ARE RECOMMENDED FOR USE IN HE MACHINES.

We hope this
information was helpful.

Sincerely,

Wisk Consumer Services

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That's basically what they told me when I called them about their "safe" or all machines. But believe me, there is a difference. I gave a whole big jug to my daughter because it suds way too much. I have carefully dose the HE version, too. If you try it, keep us posted.

I have the powder cheer **for both**..and a standard top loader. .even using a few tabelspoons causes too much suds I'm disgusted with it.

Maylingsmom: the cloudy rinse water could be from excess detergent, do you have a water softener or use STPP? Extremely soft water can pull, so to speak excess detergent/soap out of clothing making rinse water cloudy or milky.

mamapinky0 - I don't use STPP or have a water softener. We are on what is called rural water (we live out in the county). I have thought about calling the rural water office but not sure they would even know. They aren't very helpful in general. Maybe extremely soft water is what my problem is.

Maylingsmom, you wouldn't happen to live in Whatcom county would you? The reason I ask is that is where I've heard "out in the county".

No, I live in the deep south ;)

I live in a small country town. When I called my water authority and ask my water hardness level the lady said huh she did call me back and gave me numbers so it appears I have softer water than I thought. Your water company should be able to tell you. Do you have a HE machine? I've heard lots of people that have the HE have to do multiple rinses and it always amazes me that a washer that costs so much $$ and is reported to be energy efficient needs multiple rinses. Where's the energy savings? I just don't see it. Lol.

No, I have a Speed Queen. I purchased it on 3/31. I had a GE Adora that lasted almost 2 1/2 years before the bearing and transmission went bad. The GE barely agitated and had the spray rinse. You could add a full rinse if you wanted which I always did. I never saw this bit of cloudiness in the GE rinse but I have wondered if it had something to do with the fact it barely agitated so the detergent wasn't really mixed up in there. I am using less detergent than I used with the GE and trying to make sure the water feels slippery. I am getting there.

I have to add that I love my Speed Queen. It is very much like the Maytag that I had for 16 years and loved. If I had known then what I know now, I never would have gotten rid of it.

beaglenc - I can't find any detergent that is strictly HE in this little town I live in. Everything is labeled for both. Do you know of any others that are just HE?

Maylingsmom...Speed Queen is my dream machine. ..I'm currently searching for a older maytag in working order if I don't find what I want by next spring I will get a Speed Queen. Yes I do believe older machines ran circles around these newer ones standard and HE alike. Back in 1980 a neighbor gave me a front load Westinghouse washer, I can't remember what model it was but holy moly did that machine clean the clothes. .I would give much to have that back. Hindsight! !!

Maylingsmom, About the only ones I can think of in my one cup of coffee mind (lol) right now are Tide and Gain. Wisk HE is very hard to find. Have noticed that liquid Cheer is now labeled both. The turbo versions will produce much fewer suds. However, while in Target yesterday, I did notice Gain HE Turbo labeled for both. Has any body tried it?

You could use to line one and add some Borax or baking soda or even biz. Just be careful with Biz as it can be sudsy.

Mamapinky, know what you mean about hindsight. Had an 80 series Kenmore for ten years, worked perfectly. But I just had to have a front loader, and we were in the worse drought in years. Got a Bosch nexxt series. Hated it with a passion for 5years, with no problems with it. Finally had enough with lack of water, twisted and mangled clothes and shaking the whole house, got a Speed Queen 542. Still miss my Kenmore.

Just came from grocery store. On whole aisle of detergents both powder and liquid there was only one that had just HE on it and didn't say anything about being for all machines. That was a product called Pirey and it was a powder. I have tried looking online to find out more information about it and can't find a thing.

Pirey is made by Cleanlook Chemical Corporation in Opa locka Florida...probably a local brand

ALL Free/Clear brand(by Sun) powder can be used in HE machines. It has it on the box.

Mamapinky0, you are as bad as I am. Don't room for that much but I always go down the aisle and look and smell the detergents and FS even if I don't need any. Is there any hope for us? LOL

^Same here. I love to smell the different detergents!

Bought my first bottle of WISK deep clean original yesterday. I have a few liquids in my stash, but powders are my usual go to. I bought it mainly because the bottle states* removes trapped body odors and sweat*. My 40 year old son moved in temporaly due to illness, he's sweating a lot at night soo I figured i'd give the WISK a try. So far I've only done 2 loads of sheets and pillowcases and 1 medium weight blanket in my water guzzler top loader, and used to line 3 on the WISK cap..it suds up a lot, maybe I over dosed.The blanket I used to line 2 same suds issue. I also added STPP. The rinse however was crystal clear and the water had no slippery feel. The laundry came out clean and fresh smelling, I should add I used 130 degree water temp. Hung on the line in the sun. When i took them off the line they were all very clean smelling without a perfumed smell. I quite liked this WISK and I will use it again probably on bedding expecially with the warmer weather now. Think I'll try it later today on a load of kids dark play clothes.

Beaglenc, I don't have the room for all these detergents either, I keep them stacked in the hall closet. I have a shelf above the w/d that's 4 foot wide and 14 inches deep, I use wide mouth quart size canning jars and store the detergent in them, add a label and it works great. My problem is...trying to decide which detergent I want to use, lol.

As I have told this here before, I knew a repairman that all he would recommend was using Wisk. He said "you wouldn't have any kind of build up in your machine if you would use Wisk all the time."

Then again, knew another one that said Cheer Powder was best because it wasn't as harsh on washer pumps as Tide but he told me this way back in the 70's. Things have changed in that length of time.

Both of these guys were talking about regular non HE detergents--this was before the days of HE.

mamapinky0 - in the email I got from the Wisk people, they said use original Wisk in a standard machine (not HE). What type of machine do you have?

Maylingsmom..I have a standard water hog top loader, I buy the majority of my detergents labeled HE or FOR BOTH my reason is I don't like a ton of suds and non HE usually has more suds, besides non HE detergent is becoming almost impossable to find. The WISK I bought has the HE symble on the front and under it **safe for all machines**.

Mamapinky0, how much STPP did you use with the Wisk? And are you talking about the wash water not feeling slippery? Wisk is a very good detergent, I add about half cup of Borax sometimes as someone said it acts a rinse aid. Still on the fence about STPP.

I used 3 tablespoons of STPP usually I use more if the load is heavily soiled, but I have a standard top loader. I ment the rinse water wasn't slippery which was good. I've used other liquids detergents before and even though the rinse was clear the water was slippery so I knew I needed a second rinse. I actually like the wisk even though it suds more than I like, it was gone in the spin and rinsed clean, and the bedding was very fresh smelling, not purfumey. Don't get me wrong I don't mind a bit of scent but some liquids whoo nellie way to strong.

Beaglenc, I should clarify I usually premix my detergents with the STPP at a ratio of 1 pound STPP/2 pounds detergent, (but this can't be done with liquids). Than I use the amount needed for load size, soil level. This has worked great for me, also I don't use STPP for every load since not all loads need the big dogs.

Beaglenc, you say your still on the fence when it comes to STPP, what's been your experience? Do you want to share or did I miss it in another post?

Mamapinky, I haven't tried STPP yet. Where did you get yours? I have a Speed Queen TL and it doesn't rinse as well as I would like, towels are the worse. Fortunately, I don't have any great laundry challenges, mostly normal day to day body oils and dirt. I would be more interested in how STPP aids in rinsing. Your thoughts?

I'm curious. What do you think would improve the SQ rinse? Does it need to agitate longer or have several spray rinses?

Beaglenc...is your speed queen a standard top loader? I purchase my STPP from amazon its a low density which means its more suited for laundry, as it disolves easily. The last bag I bought was 40 pounds for 40 dollars and free shipping, but they do have smaller bags. Stpp was the standard in laundry detergent before it was banned, most detergents at that time had between 33% up to 50% STPP added. It helps a great deal with giving cleaner rinses. I am raising 2 grandsons age 6&7 both with acute asthma, I always rinse their clothing and bedding twice, in the first rinse I add STPP..in the second rinse I don't add anything. If you ever decide to try it do an experiment. .when you think your cloths are rinsed well rinse again with STPP, you will be surprised at the suds as STPP strips all built up laundry detergent and fabric softener from your clothes. Its especially noticeable in towels leaving them much softer and fluffier.lol do I sound like a spokeswoman for STPP lol I'm not. If you have anymore questions feel free to ask.

I have a Speed Queen and I believe the rinse issue is related more to the detergent than anything else. I think if we could find a really good detergent that rinsed very very well the problem would be solved. If you lift the lid and watch the full rinse there is no doubt there is a lot of turnover of the laundry. Previously i had a machine that used spray rinse. When I put it on full rinse, detergent came out of the clothing and that was after using the spray rinse. BTW, i don-t have suds in the rinse but a little cloudiness ever so often.

I don't have a speed queen, I have no idea how much waterit uses in the wash or rinse. Are we talking low water levels or water hog levels? Lol

Sparky my vote is for the spray rinses.

Maylingsmom, do you use liquid detergent? I'm asking because cloudyness in the rinse indicates either detergent or fabric softener. I read a lot of people have problems with liquid detergent not always rinsing well, however we are all going to have some amount of leftover detergent in the rinse, lol, that's what the rinse is for. Lol

I use liquid. I have used it for years. When I had the Maytag I didn't see any suds or cloudiness. I know the formula has changed in the last few years. My husband is against powder because we are on a septic system that uses the sprinklers. We had a friend who had trouble with their system and a crusty white substance was found in it. The people working on the system seemed to think it was the powder that had not totally dissolved. I have read multiple articles and message forums that lead me to believe that when using powder you should only use warm to hot water to make sure the powder is totally dissolved. I use cold on my colored clothes to prevent fading. I think mamapinky0 that it is as you say we all will have some detergent since the purpose of the rinse is to actually rinse ;)

Sparky I had experience for 2 1/2 years with spray rinse and when I used the extra rinse (which was a deep rinse) suds still came out of the clothes. I used the extra rinse in conjunction with the spray rinse. I would venture to say that since I read that most people using the spray rinse also are rinsing several times, that maybe they are getting a lot of the soap out but then maybe if they did a full deep rinse with lots of water they might still find soap. I don't really know. But to me that would be a good experiment to conduct to see what happened.

Sparky a longer agitation rinse would be helpful and more direct spray rinses would help a lot.

Maylingsmom, you are right about the detergents. I have much better luck with Wisk HE and Tide Turbo He. the water comes out a lot clearer. Persil Pearls rinse out good too. The liquid not so sure about they smell way too strong for me. It just seems that anything other than HE gives me a problem. Could it be I'm too OCD?LOL!

Mamapinky0, I was under the impression that STPP should go in the wash cycle. But it's ok in the rinse cycle? Would residue not be left in the clothes? And by the way, it's a pleasure "talking" with you and Maylingsmom.

I read some reviews about Wisk and 2-3 different ones say they have better rinsing with it and that it seems to get a lot of old residue out of their clothes. Of course, a lot of it is our water being different hardness. I have soft to med/soft water. I use Downy Free and the way I do that is take an empty bottle, measure 1 cup Downy into empty bottle, add water to the top and I use a 51oz.(60 load) Downy bottle. That way there is no gunk but just enough softener to cut the suds. I have a F/L Neptune so it rinses 3-4 times.

For me, the worst washers I have ever used for suds in the rinse was Kenmore TL. The old belt drive even though it did a few shorts sprays when the clothes rinsed most time they were sudsy. Then the direct/drive Kenmore(I have used one but never owned DD) they were the same way. More suds in the rinse than the wash. Had a Maytag at home, top load and after washing it would spray rinse for a minute or longer, then fill and rinse. No suds lock with it or suds in rinse like the KM. Best machines for rinsing were the old ones that overflowed the whole time it agitated and rinsed. Had a Frigidaire at my house growing up that did it this way. Old SQ models did that also I think. A neighbor had one of those.

I like Cheer Powder and cold for colors. I have never had any left on any clothes so I am thinking it is all dissolved? Used powder for years in my septic, no trouble but mine might be a different set-up than yours. A friend I used to work with was told never to use any kind of toilet paper except Scott so that is all they buy for the last 30 years but no problems. I know that was off-subject but about septics.

I guess we could go back to wringer washers and rinse them all that way. We would have plenty of water!

I really think that after I check the washing cycle to make sure I have used adequate detergent and not too much, I shouldn't go back and keep looking over and over again. The Speed Queen I bought is very much like the Maytag I had for 16 years.

Beaglenc, yes STPP goes into the wash cycle, but if you do more than one rinse you can put it in the first rinse it will strip any residue detergent out of fabric...you just cannot use it in the final rinse. I really hate multiple rinses in this water hog washer but with asthmatic grandkids I have to do 2 rinses on their laundry, the first rinse I add STPP the 2nd rinse I don't add anything. I see the persil liquid is to strong of a scent for you, tthat's my opinion also. My adult son bought me 4 of the large bottles with the spout I've tried it and it cleans and rinses well but the scent lingers even after the clothes are dried..its a scent that I just can't tolerate. Course I can't hurt my sons feelings so I'm using it for throw rugs and garage rags lol. The persil pearls I really like though. Its also enjoyable talking to you, sometimes its nice to talk with another adult as opposed to 6&7 year old grandkids. Lol

Sparky, now that you mention, more suds in the rinse than the wash, that was my exact problem with Wisk for all machines. But it was only in the winter. Still had to dose carefully even in the summer with it. I am really liking the HE version as it rinsed really good today.

You remember when Wisk first came out with the HE it was in the larger jug and was much thinner than the one today. I wonder how it would do to take a cup of Wisk and mix with a cup of water and then measure a cap full from that. Maybe less suds without a change in cleaning? For towels it should really work because they aren't really dirty anyway IMO. Back when Wisk was the larger jug 100oz. vs 50oz. you got the same # washes, all the brands then were half or more water and big jugs. Thats why I think we could water down the sudsy Wisk and possibly get it to work more like the old did. The first Wisk HE made very little to No suds in my f/l washer. When I bought my f/l there was only Wisk and Tide in HE both liquid.Back then Wisk was a Lever product instead of Sun.

So what is the chemical reason for the rinse to have more suds than the wash? I noticed that as well and thought it was strange. And as for HE liquid detergents, I have a feeling all brands will soon become "safe for all machines". BTW, at my local Walmart on the detergent aisle over half of the detergents are liquid and not powder. Is that common in your areas?

mamapink0 have you tried using vinegar to cut the smell of the persil?

Maylingsmom, I've tried vinegar and had no luck with it. I've decided to just deal with the scent since yesterday I found out consumer reports rated persil proclean 2 in 1 as the best detergent, even beating tide. Last night I threw a load of white dish towels in, used 130degree water temp, the persil proclean 2 in 1, a scoop of BIZ, and let it agatate 5 min. than shut it off to soak overnight. I pulled a few out this morning before I resumed washing and WOW all food stains gone and brilliant white. Normally I would have used tide with bleach or persil pro pearls for white towels, but the persil proclesn 2 in 1 did such a good job (no clorine bleach) that I will learn to like the scent lol.

I have tried the Persil Pearls original scent. Afterward started having sinus problems, related them to spring. Then would go away, then come back which I realize sinus works that way but I realized it was happened everytime I would wear something washed in the Persil so I stopped using it and no more probs. It is a little loud(scent). I don't understand why the detergent companies think they have to make something with so much scent it will blow the door/lid off the washer--just way too much.

Sparky823, I am glad I read your post. I put on a shirt I had washed in Persil Pearls and a few minutes later my nose got really stuffy. Changed to another one washed in Wisk HE, no stuffy nose.!! I won't be using it anymore. Thanks!

Yeah, I like how it cleans but not to the point of sinus pain. Tide with bleach powder is great too and no sinus probs! I have used Wisk before and I like it too. Fresh scent is my fav in Wisk.

I'll check and see if Walmart has the turbo version and try that. I do like the ways P. P. left my whites but not that much.