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Delbard roses

11 years ago

Hi everyone, just wondering if anyone has any favourites from the Delbard roses and also how they might do in a warm climate? I don't know much about them but recently came across Chartreuse de Parme and found the fragrance incredibly strong. Do they make nice, full bushes? How's the repeat? Are they similar in growth to any Austins or OGRs? Disease susceptibility? Any feedback (and pics!) very appreciated! Thanks :)

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  • 11 years ago

    ..I've only grown the one you mention of Delbard's... no idea how it will do in your climate, it formed a typical Hybrid Tea bushy shrub for me (I no longer have it),... I wouldn't say it was like an Austin, it's quite stiff and upright...

    ..large flowers, heavily scented - I think that's its selling point... if you like hybrid teas then I'm sure you'll love it...


  • 11 years ago

    Hmm... to try and put it politely, hybrid teas aren't my favourite :)

  • 11 years ago

    How big has it gotten for you? Bare legs or not too bad?

  • 11 years ago

    I'm not in a particularly warm climate year-round, but our summers tend to fluctuate between 90's and 100's, and most of my Delbard roses laugh off the heat and keep blooming quite well compared to other roses - at least the shrubs do. Some of the Delbard HTs like Black Beauty and Black Pearl are marginally hardy for me and pretty fussy. The heavy petaled shrub roses probably need extra water like most of the similarly petaled Austins, but for us that isn't an issue most years (particularly not this very rainy season). They are all nicely branched full bushes for me, the ones that I'll show below, and they at least go through several flushes a year. We have a dryish climate, and I don't get any notable blackspot issues from any of these roses below, but the east coast has higher disease pressure than we do here in Nebraska. I'm afraid my nose isn't reliable about fragrance so I'll let someone else comment (I don't find any of the fragrances particularly strong, even Chartreuse de Parme - to give you a benchmark).
    I'll give a sampling of photos and impressions:

    Alfred Sisley - I love striped roses and this one has particularly intriguing color range. It stays fairly small - no more than 3', but it's pretty enthusiastic when it blooms. This one's three years old, from Roses Unlimited, and the ruffles are a special treat along with the stripes.


    Comtesse de Segur - mine is about 5 years old here, from Ashdown, and I find it doesn't rebloom all that quickly, but I like the fluffy Austin-like blooms on a 3-4' bush. Trouble free for me and reasonably hardy. I'd say the same for Chartreuse de Parme, finally agreeing to overwinter for me just last year, but mine is still too immature to comment much more than that. Dominique Loiseau is also 5 years old and blooms OK with mostly white single to semidouble blooms - more like a tall scruffy hybrid musk than these kinds of full blooms, and I find it fairly forgettable (no good pictures that I can find).


    Dames de Chenonceau is a much more reliable bloomer that pops out a very full flush in June and blooms off and on the rest of the year. It's much taller than I had expected - it wants to be at least 4-5' but I have it in the front of my bed - so I let it drape over a knee-high fence and it can look fairly spectacular. Here's a closeup and then a full shot on a good year - it's the one that's both upright and spills out over the fence, faded quite a bit from the initial apricot-pink.



    If I could only take one of my thousand roses with me to a retirement home some day (may that day be long off to make such a tough decision), I suspect it would be Edgar Degas. There is no rose I have photographed more than this one, and every time I turn my back I notice some nuance of the rose. It is mostly a white with red-pink stripes, but can mix in some intriguing yellow or light pink tones that add variety. It's a very vigorous 4' high by maybe 7-8' wide, and it's an exuberant bloomer once it starts, basically all season. It'll occasionally take a break, but it's one of my stand-by roses and I dearly love it. Don't hit me, but it's also not available in the US anymore, since Ashdown went out of business. For what it's worth, I keep trying to advocate that Pat Henry propagate this at Roses Unlimited or LInda Loe at LongAgo Roses adds this to her Delbard collections (both of these sources, BTW are excellent choices for Delbards).

    I'll limit myself to three photos of this, the first two for color variations and the last for the full bush



    BTW, Edgar extends even further to the left of this bush photo, and Nostalgie is just barely popping in at the front (and Antique 89 as the climber at back)


    Henri Matisse is a nicely different color scheme of pink/red stripes a few bushes away, but he pales next to Edgar both in profusion of bloom and size of bush


    I keep forgetting Grimaldi is a Delbard, since it's a striped rose but not in the "painter" series. I like the stripes on it and it's mostly hardy for me, but it's a fairly sparse bush (perhaps because of our winters), and I'd give Alfred Sisely the edge for being bushier. I doubt most of these striped roses have much scent, BTW. Here's the whole bush habit of Grimaldi


    Madame Bovary is a nice climber that has darker pink blooms than I'd originally expected - Austin-like bushiness and a moderate climber in my zone. Not a terrific rebloomer, but in this photo she's only 2 years old, and in part shade.


    Cynthia - the rest of the alphabet to follow

  • 11 years ago

    OK, more Delbards. Many of us have sung the praises of Nahema here, and the blooms are to die for. She grew quickly for me and put out these lovely blooms off and on all summer. Last winter, she inexplicably died, after 4 years of healthy growth, surviving even the "polar vortex" last year, so who knows. Regardless, I'll definitely be replacing her. I think she's supposed to have a nice fragrance. She definitely beats out Papi Delbard, who I passionately sought for years as an apricot climber. I still like Papi and his color is nice when he doesn't fade (no pictures), but he has very stiff canes and I don't get much rebloom and only sparse blooms at that (maybe because he's too stiff to bend much and encourage laterals).

    Puerta del Sol is a nice cheerful yellow climber that mostly stays yellow, and has been pretty hardy for me. Not nearly as profuse a bloom or rebloom as Lunar Mist right next to it, so some of my photos are probably mixed up (they're both double yellow). Here's one I'm pretty sure is Puerta.


    I have no photos handy of Red Intuition or Pink Intuition, but they are "must have" roses if you like stripes. Red Intuition is a light red on medium red stripe, and Pink Intuition is pink on light pink. They're tall and narrow and bloom in modest flushes like other HTs, but the colors make them worth the trouble. Only Red Intuition is currently available in the US I think, from Palatine.

    Saint Exupery/Waltz Time is a relatively unexciting Delbard HT that's supposed to be mauve, but mostly stays medium pink in my heat. It's fine and seems healthy and hardy, but is not a favorite.


    The Grayson Rose/Malicorne is an intriguing little floribunda that Rogue Valley sells that has a fair bit of tenacity in my yard. I have it in part sun to maintain the russet dark tones, and the flower has more brick red-russet coloring than this photo catches. It's probably marginally hardy in my zone therefore a bit small and sparse, but good for those of us who like weirdo colors in roses.


    Centennaire de Lourdes is a pink that should have been as robust as Dame des Chenonceau, but it faded out and died a few years ago. In a warmer climate, I think it'd be quite nice.


    Souvenir de Louis Amade died unlamented a few years ago, as it was supposed to be lilac purple and barely bloomed a washed-out white. On the other hand, I grieve for Messire Delbard who had the most perfectly quartered dark red blooms I've ever seen on a rose, much less a climber. Unfortunately, he faded as well about two years ago, and Vintage was the only source I knew about.

    First Edition is a Delbard floribunda I'll probably replace. It survived several years in the zone 4 cold pocket of my yard, but it would do much better in a warmer spot. The color stayed a nice coral apricot color, and the bush stayed small. In general, though, the Delbard HTs and floris are probably not nearly as well suited for my cold zone as the shrubs.


    Courtoisie also lasted several years and is a nice blend of vivid colors that deserves another chance in a better spot.


    Those are the most of them - the highest recommendations I would have are for any Delbard in the "painter" series, or the very double shrubs that can be similar in growth patterns to Austins with perhaps fewer disease pressures.

    Have fun

    Cynthia

    brightstar123 thanked nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska
  • 11 years ago

    Wow, such gorgeous photos, thanks Cynthia! And lots of helpful info too.

    I think the ones I'm most tempted by at the moment are Chartreuse de Parme for the fragrance, Parfum de Paris, Carmagnole and Soeur Emmanuelle. The Painter series are so unlike anything else I have (no stripes, all OGRs and some Austins) that I'm really curious to try some. Love the colours of Cezanne, Grimaldi and Monet. I'm just trying to narrow down my selection (the bushiest/nicest shrubs will probably be the winners) and figure out where I could put them! Also I forgot to mention I'm in Australia and we can get Edgar Degas here :)

  • 11 years ago

    I've been looking at the nursery website a bit more and it's really hard to choose between some of the Painter roses. Looking at HMF, there's such a range of colours produced by each one that they all end up looking similar. For example, the nursery pics show Claude Monet as a mainly pink rose, without any real yellow, however on HMF it looks more like Cezanne. Also hard to tell how 'hybrid tea-like' some of them are...

    I think I'll definitely try Edgar Degas though as it looks like a nice shrubby plant with loads of blooms in your pics, Cynthia. Any recommendations for a nice harmonious series of 4-5 'Painters' for along a driveway?

  • 11 years ago

    My Delbard roses do very well in the heat but the growth habit is typical HT. I am in extreme high heat 100-120 F from late Spring till Autumn (Fall).

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    11 years ago

    Just an FYI. Palatine will soon have a broad selection of Delbard Roses. There are more to come. There are around 80 "new to the U.S." varieties that were brought in last fall and budded in a quarantine block.

  • 11 years ago
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    Oh Paul, you're such a tease! I assume they won't be available for a couple yrs?? Can't wait to see what they are!!

    Here are some of my Delbard roses:

    ALFRED SISLEY - decent repeat, grows about 4ft high and 3ft wide; recently dug out of this spot for the septic system re-do and I'm expecting it to do better


    BLUE NILE - slow grower, not a great repeater, but gorgeous blooms

    CAMILLE PISSARRO - she grows really short for me, only about 2ft x 2ft, decent repeat, smallish blooms


    CHARTREUSE DE PARME - still in a pot waiting to be put in one of the new beds.. love the deep purply-magenta color and the scent to-die-for!

    COURTOISE - still in a pot, grows kinda sprawly, low-petal count so the blooms blow pretty fast, but decent repeat

    FIRST EDITION - a tree rose, doesn't bloom that great and blooms blow pretty fast, but interesting


    FRANCE LIBRE - not a great bloomer, and the blooms blow pretty fast

    GINGERSNAP - good old standard pure orange that blooms great and stay rather small

    GRAND MOGUL - was in that septic area not doing much for a few yrs, hopefully will do better in a new spot; pretty tho

    GRIMALDI - one of the wonderful stripeys, blooms well and gets about 4ft x4ft

  • 11 years ago

    GUY SAVOY - monster plant, over 6ft x 4ft, blooms all the time, love it!!


    HENRI MATISSE - pretty red and white stripes, decent repeat, about 4ft x 3ft

    IMPERATRICE FARAH - love the blooms, but the plant grows soooo tall, sometimes I can't see them too well; grows like 7ft bolt straight-up

    MALICORNE - newer baby own-root that hasn't gotten mature yet, but I love the deep maroon color, can't wait til it gets big!

    PINK INTUITION - 5ft x 3ft, love the stripes, good repeat

    ROSE DE CISTERCIENS - almost lost this one over in the septic area; glad it had to be dug up so it can recover!

    SOUTINE - blooms a lot, grows about 4ft x 2ft, long-lasting blooms

    TOURMALINE - grows about 4-5ft x 2ft, slow repeat and blooms blow fast, but they're pretty



  • 11 years ago

    I only have a few, but my favorite is definitely Paul Bocuse. He's fuller than an HT but more upright than most of my Austins. He does get a bit of BS, but our pressure is really high. The scent is very nice, but not one of my most fragrant roses. I really like the bloom form and colors. I don't have any pics of mine, but do a Google search and you'll see all the variations in colors he has! I like the pastel washes, so he's not a bright rose or anything, but I love those lovely apricots :)

    Then I also have Pierre Gagnaire, who is just lovely for an up-close single. Farther away, you don't notice the very subtle colors going on. No fragrance for me, but completely healthy.

    And I have Juliette Greco, but she doesn't grow anything like I expected. I use her as a once-blooming rambler climbing over an arbor now, after expecting a 5-6-foot shrub and having her in a different spot :) Her blooms are very pretty small yellow globes that then open wide and fade to white. I probably have her in too much shade now (so no rebloom?), but she is such a tall rambly thing that I can't try her in more sun in my garden. I do love her where I have her; she's vigorous in situations where roses don't like to grow (she'd scare me a bit in better conditions ;) ). I wonder if mine sported or something, but she's 110% a climber for me!


  • 11 years ago

    Gorgeous photos Beth, as always. Paul - that's incredibly exciting news about more Delbard roses at my favorite bare root vendor, Palatine! Ever since you and Ashdown stopped selling roses, I've been sheepish about recommending the Edgar Degas rose you sold me years ago. Fortunately Brightstar can get this rose, and hopefully Palatine will stock it along with the 80 new cultivars. I'll be thrilled if Soutine and Rose de Sisterciens make the cut, since they've been on my unobtainable list ever since Beth's pictures showed them off. Not to mention Camille Pisarro and Paul Cezanne and Claude Monet - I'm hoping for a resurrection of the painter's series here in the region.
    Brightstar, I think all the painter series are pretty compatible, though you might want to break it up a bit in a row of 5 with a harmonious solid color midway, to make the stripes stand out. Regardless, I think that Edgar Degas and Henri Matisse as well as Guy Savoy are quite compatible, and Beth says her Matisse branches out nicely too. Grimaldi and Alfred Sisely also would go nicely together, and since both Pisarro and Monet have some yellow tones in some weather, that'd blend well too. I think all the painter series is relatively shrubby rather than upright like Pink and Red Intuition (gorgeous roses all), though if Pisarro stays small it might not suit in a row of the others unless it's at the end. Don't be too put off by the nursery photo colors - in different climates or conditions or light roses can alter colors, and the painter series can be nicely mutable in different situations.

    Have fun and we'd love to see the results!

    Cynthia

  • 6 years ago

    I bump this threat again just because it’s a good read :) Helen

  • 6 years ago

    Totally agreed :)

    Thanks, Helen !!

  • 6 years ago

    Anyone know if Palatine will revise their current list for the 2020 season?

  • 6 years ago

    Wonderful read is right! Is Palatine the main source for these? I know Freedom Gardens has carried some in the past. I "only" have Nahema, which is gorgeous, but these are so amazing.

  • 6 years ago

    I know Linda at Long Ago Roses has some Delbard roses.

  • 6 years ago

    Summer where I am reaches 40 degrees Centigrade / 100F+ and humidity up to mid 90s, and I have found that the roses that do best are the French and some German plants. The DA roses struggle. Among the French roses, Delbards are all around consistent and strong, with Nahema exceptional, as are the Souvenir D'Amour series - all strong repeat bloomers. Outside Delbard, I have a Frederic Dard from Guillot which is the very strongest repeat bloomer of all my roses, guaranteed to bloom every month from May onwards: itshuge flowers last longer, have the strongest scent and look magnificent. Among the German roses, Kordes' Parole / Buxom Beauty is outstanding for the same reasons.

  • 5 years ago

    anyone know how to get hold of Candice - delbard rose?


  • 5 years ago

    That’s one of the roses I am also looking for ! :-)

  • 5 years ago

    Until Candice is available in the US, Marc Chagall is a pretty good substitute. Mine morphed through a lot of different pattern variations, and some of them looked like Candice to me. In real life, there was more yellow in the center and the stripes were more distinguishable. They were softer than the photos. My phone takes colorful pics.



  • 5 years ago

    Beautiful blooms!

  • 5 years ago

    @nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska is the picture where you talk about papi delbard a nahema or a papi delbard? You mentioned both in that comment block so I wasn't sure. Rogue has papi delbard back in stock and I'm on the fence over it

  • 5 years ago

    Awww, that's so beautiful, Lilyfinch!! The top photo looks exactly like Candice. I love mine best when he's pastel like that.

  • 5 years ago

    This thread just makes me want Pink Intuition oh so bad..

    I’m wondering how it would look between a bed of Moonstone, Love Song, and Our Lady of Guadeloupe, and the three Renaes I will be planting further down the wall.

    Funny how when you want a rose, suddenly it occurs to you where you might have room for it. 😏

  • 5 years ago

    Flowers - mmmmm - I love your pictures of MC!!! I can't pick a favorite...they're both yummy!!


    Sylvia - yes!!! It would look wonderful there!! :) :)


    Jen - Amazing difference between your blooms and Flower's blooms!!! I really, really love your last picture!!


  • 5 years ago

    Aaron - sorry I've been out of commission for a while. The photo is of Nahema - Papi Delbard sadly has never survived my zone 5 winters even in my most protected spot. Polka is the closest thing to that color in a climber that survives for me.

    Cynthia

  • 5 years ago
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    Count me as a fan of Marc Chigall

    Other than that fabulous multi colored bloom, it blooms non stop on a seriously clean bush.

    Mine got moved from a pot to a prime spot.

    Sylvia , I agree about finding a space for a dream rose.

  • 5 years ago

    Chartreuse de Parme is a splendid Delblard rose! I love mine!!

  • 5 years ago

    @nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska thank you! I have Nahema so I'm really happy I won't lose out on those beautiful roses (if it survives my winter) :)

  • last year

    Aaron, How is your Nahema doing? i just planted two last fall z5a.

  • last year

    Aaron, How is your Nahema doing? I planted two last fall z5a.

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