Thanks for the suggestions! As for cooking needs, they are pretty basic. Also, I would like to have the capability to do some baking. Can I assume that you are happy with your Miele oven?

It's a good idea buy the oven and microwave as separate components rather a combo unit.

If you want to get good advice you need to give much more information, including answering homepro01's questions: define "tight budget" (on a forum where people regularly discuss $8000+ ovens, that could mean anything). Also what type of microwave do you need? Replacing a stack unit?

People here tend to prefer Electrolux, Bosch, and Miele for midrange ovens.

My Miele oven is older and my speed cook is about 5years old. I like them both a lot. I am reminded how well they work when I use other peoples equipment:-)

If you can provide more information, the forum can guide you to the best option in your budget.

Good luck!

" I am reminded how well they work when I use other peoples equipment:-)"

Well you obviously have not used my Electrolux oven and speed oven!

I can read the display without fetching my glasses, on both the Electrolux oven and speed oven, I can't do that with the Mieles.

The Electrolux oven has 3 fully gliding out racks, (standard, at least in my Icon). How many does the Miele have?

The speed oven is "fully automatic", just enter what you want to cook and it tells you, step by step, on it's white display what to do. Unless you have the "Magic chef" or whatever Miele calls it, You have to figure out the preheat time and temp, you have to figure out the ratio of microwaveing to convection baking, etc etc~~~too much for this old guy!!!! Even with the "Magic Chef, (which is a lot of extra money), the Miele is nowhere as intuitive and as easy to use as the Electrolux Speed Oven>

It is Far easier to use as a microwave, than is the Miele Speed oven, with the Electrolux, just enter the time, the start button lites up green, so push that and your done. With the Miele one can not enter the time direct, or enter more time if needed, like the Electrolux, you have to do some "Hocus Pokus thing with the miele to add time.

Unfortunately, this is a "Mute point" about the Electrolux Speed oven, as it is no longer made, I hope it lasts forever as it is our most used appliance, and I think I'm now to old to learn all about the "eccentricities" of the Miele.

The regular oven bakes perfectly, temps are "spot on" and it has been trouble free for 9 years now, It hasn't even blown out a light bulb!

Sooooo, anyway, here's an example of "Other peoples Equipment", that "Far surpasses the Miele.

I was not on a budget, when I bought the Electrolux, I wanted the BEST, regardless of price, the fact that it cost about half as much as the Miele was just an "Added Bonus"!!!!

Gary

This is great information. I had not considered any of these models up til now. I am replacing two separate units, a 30" wall oven and a 24" microwave (which fits in the 30" cabinet above the wall oven). My budget is about $3000. to $4000. for both units. However, I would try to cut corners in other areas if those on this forum believe it would be worthwhile to go for higher quality. Right now, my cooking needs are pretty basic, but I hope to learn more about cooking and baking as time goes on.

The speed oven idea is very interesting. Can you use one of these in place of a microwave? We use the microwave a lot for re-heating.

The Speed ovens can be used as a microwave.

While the Miele is not as easy to use, as was the "Late Electrolux" speed oven, with the help of the operator's manual, I'm sure you can "do it", and I suspect some Miele owners will chime in.

One thing nice about a speed oven is you have more choices, than just microwaving. Some things, like French fries, chicken, fish, do not reheat all that well if you just "straight Microwave them, ~~~these foods tend to get "soggy", when microwaved, so you "speed cook" them instead. Speed cooking is a combination of Microwaving and convection baking, and at least my experience has been that speed cooking is the best way to reheat these things. For regular stuff that microwaves well, you just use the speed oven in its microwave mode.

Where the speed ovens really shine, is "speed cooking" potatoes, yams etc.

It takes 14 minutes, (including preheat) to "speed cook" potatoes instead of baking them in an oven, which usually takes 45-60 minutes, (including preheat).

The speed ovens can be used as a "conventional Oven" or "convection oven", I have a choice of bake, roast, grill or "convection", just like my big oven. The Miele even has broil, which the Elux did not. In fact these speed ovens "could be used" as your regular day to day oven, except when you need to bake large items, whole turkeys, hams etc.

My wife loves her regular Electrolux oven, so it really gets used more than it should, as most the things we use the oven for, could be done in the speed oven, although the regular oven is considerably quieter than the speed oven, and maybe "most the time", she likes doing things "the old fashion way"? But She does Always speed cook the taters.

If you have a lot of things to bake, Holidays or parties, then the Speed oven really comes in handy as a "2nd oven".

Hope this helps, I would never be without my Speed oven, even if I had to buy the Miele!

Gary

Gary,

The Miele Speed oven has a minute button. You can add as many minutes as you like. You do have to select the microwave button to select direct time. Have you used the Miele? I have Masterchef and there is no figuring out how much microwave versus convection you use. I enter the weight of something if using the master chef setting and it cooks perfectly. If I don't use master chef, I just set the temperature and the machine does the rest

I have used an Electrolux and a Wolf. The sliding racks in the Electrolux are nice but the noise of the units and the fact that my friend had it replaced twice because they did not heat evenly gives me pause. I can see the Miele display just fine. I started wearing glasses when I was five if that helps. My vision is not the best and I never had a problem.

I can like Miele, Bosch, Electrolux etc without bashing one oven on another. The OP has still. To told us what her needs are.

Good luck with your choices OP.

Thanks for clarifying. This makes it much easier to make suggestions. I think Miele is going to be out of your budget, as the units homepro01 suggested from them in the first reply are their lowest end and cost over $5000.

However, Bosch could be a good option if you don't go for their highest end. You could pair their 120 or 240V speed oven with the 500 or 800 series lower oven.

Electrolux is also an excellent product that could fit into your budget. Yes, sadly they no longer make the speed oven that Gary mentioned, but they do make a 120V built-in microwave unit that can be stacked above and matches their wall ovens.

Homepro01 made good points about the positives of Miele, and not to bash products you haven't used beyond seeing them in a showroom. However, I have to disagree that loud noise and uneven baking are common problems with Electrolux. In fact, quiet fans and even baking are what Electrolux is most praised on this forum for. Must have been a dud unit. I have an Electrolux induction range (the oven of which is exactly the same as the wall units), and my parents have a Kenmore wall oven made by Electrolux. Both of which are almost completely silent except on the high cooling fan speed (which is used when broiling and self cleaning) and are some of the most even ovens I've ever baked in, holding their own against the super high end brands like Wolf.

Hvtech42,

i was surprised about the Electrolux too. I have an Electrolux mixer which I love to death. I also recommended the Electrolux Induction stove to my sister because I got to use it in a local showroom and if I were getting an Induction range a few years go, it would have been my personal choice. I have not visited my friend since she replaced them but she said they are working well now. Again, no product line is problem free.

I am enamored with the Bosch side opening oven because I always wanted the Gaggenaus. The price is so out of the atmosphere now, it is not even a consideration (even on the used Market where they sell for the price for a new Miele or Wolf).

Carnew,

Do you need a dishwasher? If you are happy with the Bosch, consider the 800series dishwasher that many on the forum have positive reviews of. Bosch usually has some promotion or another when you purchase three appliances. I don't know where you are located geographically but there should be showroom where you can at least look at these options. Unfortunately, few of these places have the ovens connected for actual use.

Good luck!

Actually, I already have a Bosch dishwasher, and I like it very much. The noise level is so low, you hardly know it is running.

Does the Bosch oven bake as evenly as the others?

I've had my Bosch oven in FL now for 5 years and it's been a dream to use and yes, it bakes evenly. I'm a big baker, so that's important to me. When I build, I am keeping with the Bosch.