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Trouble with shellac not staying.

11 years ago

So I am working on a project and have one spot where the shellac wont stick. I have brushed on layers, and dripped layers into the recess. I have tried a quick brush of sandpaper to rough up the spot and it still wont stay. Now, while the products used may not be perfect with each other they aren't causing problems on any other spot.

Basically the project is a carving in wood, which after being carved I did a light layer of boiled linseed oil, then made a paint with linseed oil and natural pigment and filled in the carving. The shellac isn't having a problem with any of it except the one spot, I'm afraid to do any more sanding and damage the paint. I saw a sorta similar issue where somebody said to wipe the spot with alcohol (didn't specify rubbing or denatured) but I'm afraid of it taking off the paint in that spot also. Any suggestions on how I may be able to fix this?

Thanks

Comments (17)

  • PRO
    11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    The type of wood used would help to get a better reply since the properties vary greatly..Also not a good idea to apply shellac over oil.

  • PRO
    11 years ago

    Applying shellac over and with oil is the very heart of french polishing, and believe me it works fine.

    Casey

  • PRO
    11 years ago

    Care to explain?I have done a good bit of French Polishing over the years with great success.Have never applied several coats of oil to anything and put shellac over .

  • PRO
    11 years ago

    You put the pumice into the pores with oil, then apply the ground coats of polish. You use oil to lubricate the tampon/rubber/mouse while polishing. If you use linseed oil, the final finish seems to me (been polishing since 1986) to be even tougher and more waterproof than if you use regular mineral oil. Mineral oil is definitely faster.

    Casey

  • 11 years ago

    So are we to gather the op is attempting a version of French Polish over several coats of oil and one of paint??? With paint obscuring wood grain I can't grasp the reasoning for polish. Any way you slice it,it sounds like surface has been contaminated. Perhaps a shot of Pledge was thrown in the witches brew.

  • 11 years ago

    Klem, you seem to be getting confused between Casey explaining French polishing process and what I actually did. Most of the wood is exposed, the only reason I do a light oiling first is because my paint is oil and pigment and if it isn't oiled then some will soak into the wood around the painted area and make it look discolored. So no, there is no pledge or anything of the sort.

  • 11 years ago

    "So no, there is no pledge or anything of the sort."

    The area is saturated or at least covered with paint,that rules out shellac soaking in. There is no pledge or anything on the surface ( or so you say) that rules out contamination. You've given us a real doozie to figrue out. Please explain why you are applying shellac over paint.

  • PRO
    11 years ago

    One coat of oil paint is not enough to seal the pores in an open or fuzzy grain area. So it does not seem unusual at all that there were areas that were going to have the shellac completely disappear by soaking in instantly. Which is why I suggested using some thicker shellac, which will build the surface much faster than repeatedly applying more very thin coats.

    Think of it like end grain in oak, very hard to get it to fill in properly with paint or varnish, which is why we would use something with great filling capacity, like sanding sealer or pore filler.

    If you keep on dabbing with thin shellac b(with a tiny artists brush) it will eventually fill in too.

    Casey

    Maxx thanked Sombreuil
  • PRO
    11 years ago

    "Sombreuil

    You put the pumice into the pores with oil, then apply the ground coats of polish"

    True but you don't apply the shellac over several coats of oil.The shellac is used as a base coat.The oil is used as a lubricant for the pumice or rottenstone.

  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Thank you again Casey, since your first response I've been doing basically the artist brush suggestion, hoping it will get a layer going. Haven't been able to mix a thicker batch, and am having a hard time finding a way to burn off some of the alcohol. Did realize I was probably rushing at first so figured I'd take it slower and hopefully if the last layer of shellac was harder then I'd stop soaking in. I think I may have started a little layer but if I don't see a change soon I'll figure out a thicker batch.

  • PRO
    11 years ago

    Pour a little out into a disposable container or paper plate, hit it with some blow dryer heat while stirring with the brush, it will thicken up instantly.

    Casey

  • PRO
    11 years ago

    It's obvious that you don't have a clue what a true French polish is nore does Somebreuill. and you don't want a French polish for what you are trying to do, It just will not hold up well,]

  • 11 years ago

    I never said I know what a French polish is, whether true or not. I also never said that I was trying to do a French polish. All I said is I want to get my shellac to go on evenly. I also don't know why you would assume I don't want something specific because of durability, when I never said what the end use is for, I just listed the process I was using.

  • PRO
    11 years ago

    I never assumed you were doing a French polish.Someone else on the board did.I simply stated in my first post that oil under shellac is not a good idea.Go back and read it and you will see that.Some know it all took everything out of context which happens on the internet..

    Sorry for the derail.

  • PRO
    11 years ago

    We all get sidetracked; look, a kitty!

    Casey

  • 11 years ago

    " have one spot where the shellac wont stick."

    "Won't stick" in very first sentence of post and nothing about soaking in,filling pores or anything else other than won't stick. Farthur into thread op evades question about expected end result. I don't believe op is interested in different ways of skinning your cat Casey.