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Replacement 9'x6' window

11 years ago

Hi all, new to this side of the GW forums! I need to replace a peachtree window in my living room. The Peachtrees are vinyl, white on interior and pebble on exterior. I'd prefer to find an option that coordinates with what I already have. The house is 15 years old, and this is the only window that has failed, but I do wonder in 5-10 years if I might need to replace them all. The Pella rep recommends a support product, 2-wide direct set to save $ versus the current window that has 2 double hungs sandwiching a stationary pane. It's a big window, 9' x 6'. I will meet with the Anderson Renewal folks next week. I'm in Pittsburgh, PA, and was hoping to be ~$3000 installed, but the Pella product was closer to 4K. I may need to revise my expectations! Any other manufacturers I should explore? I was avoiding the big box stores, and Pella & Anderson are the ones advertising in my area. Local lumberyard carries Marvin and Integrity, I was going to explore them too. Thanks in advance!

Comments (18)

  • 11 years ago
    Here's the window. Sorry, didn't come through first post.
  • PRO
    11 years ago

    I like the 1/4 - 1/2 - 1/4 arrangement myself. Makes the room feel bigger. I would go without grids if this were my home and that will open up the space and make you feel more connected to the exterior which is beautiful in this case.

    A 3-Lite slider would work here as well as a Double Hung - Picture - Double Hung combo.

    If you have vinyl now, I would suggest you look at some of the nice vinyl lines that are out there (Soft-Lite, Okna, Sunrise) and see what you can find. They are all going to be better performers than what you have there or any of the wood products you quoted. They are available with split finishes so you can get them painted on the exterior.

  • 11 years ago
    Fantastic info Windows of Washington! I agree re: the grids. I'm off to research those recommendations.
  • 11 years ago
    Hi again! I have visited a few more dealers and honed my window request. My window faces east, and I live in zone 6. I'm looking for white interior and sand exterior, so standard colors and a fairly non-demanding orientation. Because of the size of my window (107" x 70") I've had a few dealers tell me a 1:2:1 slider would be the least expensive configuration since it could be supplied as one piece rather than mulling 3 together so I am going with that. I went to a dealer (local lumberyard) that sells Marvin, Anderson and Atrium. He quoted me ~500 for A100s. I pushed him on why the 100 series over 400 series or a Marvin product, and he said that I'd just be paying more for what I don't need. I also visited a Sunrise dealer, who really wanted to sell me a Vinylmax window. He said that although he has Sunrise windows in his house, the Vinylmax was equivalent quality for half the price. ($800 v $1500). I have a Soft-lite dealer visiting on Thursday. Okna isn't available in my market. I've ruled out RBA since bundling labor isn't cost effective for 1 window, and Pella only offers a wood product for my configuration. I'm really not looking for the cheapest option, but of course I don't want to spend for what I don't need. Are the dealers steering me wrong? The Anderson guy also said install was easy and could be DIY. Do the pros here agree with that assessment? Thanks in advance!
  • PRO
    11 years ago

    Great advice above. A premium vinyl product is going to be your best bet to blend with the other existing windows and deliver on great performance as well. I'd also agree on the brands recommended above... Seems weird that Okna would not service your area given that they are based in PA. Did you contact them directly for a referral?

    I'd also concur on the dh/pw/dh arrangement offering the superior performance in that size, and that this really is NOT a DIY job. Large and/or mulled units can be tricky, and you also want a thorough understanding of general construction and flashing/water management to ensure a proper install... Perhaps you have some experience, but if not, this would not be the best place to "give 'er a shot" IMO.

  • 11 years ago

    Thank you for the comments Ultra Windows! I haven't had any dealers tell me to be wary of the slider option, so I need to start asking that question. Do you think I'd be asking for trouble with this configuration even with a manufacturer like Sunrise or Soft-lite? I can't do casements, as the window overlooks our deck and they'd be too easy to run into when opened. I have nothing against the double-hung option stylewise, but in addition to being more expensive since it would have to be built as three separate pieces the stiles have to be thicker. I thought the slider would maximize my viewing area.

    I'm still struggling to understand what standards I should be most interested in with my setup, but I will continue my research in that area. Thanks for checking the Vinylmax website for me! I'm really hoping the Soft-lite dealer I meet on Thursday will wow me. I am uncomfortable with the Sunrise dealer, as he really didn't want me to buy their window. I wonder if they get a better margin on the less expensive product?

    I was definitely not thinking DIY, but I was surprised the dealer would indicate install was such a breeze. This dealer could get additional business by helping me contract out the install to one of their people...he indicated the cost would be $350. So these dealers are confusing me, as their information and feedback seems to be at odds with what I'm learning here.

  • 11 years ago

    And thank you too HomeSealed Exteriors! I'm glad to have another professional opinion. I did call Okna directly, and they told me no go. I was surprised as well, but they are on the other side of the state.

  • PRO
    11 years ago

    Couple things:

    I think that a slider is viable, although just not ideal, and for the reasons that you mentioned (lower cost, more glass, etc). It would be ESSENTIAL, however, to get an excellent product and installation for that option. Even at that, it would not structurally be as strong as a mulled triple unit.

    Regarding the different information being given, the advice that you receive here is as objective as possible. None of us have anything to gain by providing it, while that may not be the case for the others. In addition, you are talking to 3 guys here in myself, Ultra, and WOW that are true window geeks with extensive experience in product, installation, etc . Wouldn't be posting to help random strangers if we weren't... A guy at a supply house? Who knows. Take it for what it's worth ;)

  • 11 years ago
    Totally agree HomeSealed that the advice on this site is invaluable! I'm learning much from the discussion. I wish my local options were as useful. Thanks again for all of your insight...what all of you are saying makes more sense than what the guys here are telling me.
  • PRO
    11 years ago

    I agree with everything HomeSealed has said. A 3 lite slider is doable, it's just not ideal for me. I understand that it is a cheaper option, but I just doubt you'd be happy with it over the long term.


  • 11 years ago

    I met with the Soft-lite dealer today in my house, and was
    overall left with a positive impression.
    Like the pros on this board, he thought that the DH-P-DH option was
    preferable to the slider from a structural perspective, but that a slider was a
    viable choice too. His firm handles the
    labor too, which assuming his references check out is a plus for me. A few questions/concerns…he quoted me on the
    Soft-lite Element series, but he said that Soft-lite private labels these
    windows for him with another brand name (Timeless). He
    said the only difference between his privately labeled Timeless windows &
    Soft-lite Elements was the tilt mechanism, as he does not like to have the tilt
    latches built inside the frame like on the Elements. On his Soft-lite Timeless windows the tilt
    latches are flanking the locking mechanism.
    He quoted me a U-factor of 0.27 and and S-factor of 0.27 for the Timeless
    product. He did not feel triple
    insulating glass was worth the upcharge.

    Any additional opinions on the Element series in general, his
    private labelling, and the numbers on the product he quoted? Thanks so much for all your time, as I move
    close to a decision. Price-wise, the Soft-lite quotes came in a little less than the Sunrise dealer when I include labor costs.

  • PRO
    11 years ago

    Can't go wrong with the Element window. Solid performer and very well structured.

    Stephanie S thanked Windows on Washington Ltd
  • 11 years ago
    I had decided to go with soft-lite, but after further inspection of my current window, the soft-lite dealer is pretty sure they can't help me. He will double check with their installers, but he thinks I will need a new construction product. He said he'd never seen an install like ours before. Something about how the center pain is attached to the double hungs...I didn't quite follow. He suggested I talk to RBA, Pella, and Marvin, as he only offers replacement options. I was really looking to be done with this decision!
  • PRO
    11 years ago

    That's a weird response. That window is a new construction, vinyl, mulled unit. No reason that you can't use a replacement option there. If he/she can't recognize that, I suggest that you look for another contractor.

  • 11 years ago
    He said the main frame needs removed because the the outside cladding is extruded aluminum. The center section has a very thick piece going around the out side of the glass and he said it looks like it is all one piece. He doesn't think a replacement type window will fit. I have 2 new people coming today to discuss. It seems like Sunrise has a full frame replacement option so I'm looking at that.
  • 11 years ago

    i am following this thread because it is very informative and interest to see the choice price and out come of your project..all my windows are bad, old home. Time for me to start learning and saving $ to replace.

  • 11 years ago
    Good luck cyber secretary! This is a great place to research and learn. Our 2nd Sunrise quote was reasonable, but they couldn't say for sure if we require a new construction or if a replacement window would work. The expert installer would decide, but we have to hire them first.