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Old house with challenging paint issues

10 years ago
last modified: 10 years ago

We bought a house last year and are finally getting around to remodeling. The two kids rooms were painted by the kids themselves. One is gloss pink and purple. The other is gloss red and blue with chrome/silver trim. The red and blue room was occupied by a child with anger issues. It has fist sized holes beaten into the walls in 5 spots. There is also one spot where there are letters carved into the wall, but not through the surface of the texture. The letters are only knife blade wide and you have to get the light just right to see them. There could be many more, who knows? Here's a picture of the red and blue room...

I have a couple questions.

When the holes are fixed in the walls, how do you match the texture? I would much prefer no texture at all, but apparently I'm in the minority on that. Smooth walls just seem cleaner to me. Anyway...

Can gloss paint be painted with anything? We want a light, pastel yellow for the final color. I was thinking Kilz to cover the deep colors, but I walked out of Lowe's with BIN Shellac primer.

Can the wall carvings be painted over to cover or does that need to be filled somehow? And if filling is needed, then are we back to matching texture?

There are drips on the walls. How do you fix those added texture issues?

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Meanwhile in another room...The original master bedroom has popcorn ceilings. The popcorn is coming down so that won't be a concern. The owner was a smoker, but the smoke does not seem to have affected the pink/purple or red/blue rooms. There's a pocket door from the MBR to the bathroom, so I'm afraid the smoke might be deep in the walls there. In reading old posts here about covering smoked rooms it seems the gurus of the day recommended using Dirtex to clean the walls first. My wife washed the walls with vinegar (at our Realtor's suggestion), and that did nothing against the smell. But she did not wash the popcorn, so getting rid of the popcorn might solve everything. We were hoping the BIN would be okay to use now without further washing. There was a carpet in that room, but we had it removed down to the concrete slab.

Comments (10)

  • 10 years ago

    I match texture by dabbing spackle on with a sponge, letting it almost dry, then lightly scraping it off with a spatula or drywall knife. Then I prime and paint.

    The trick is to texture a large area, not just the patch, and fade out the dabs as you get away from the patch.


    Yes, you can paint over gloss ... I've did what we called the "Dr. Seuss" house that had all walls like that (gaudy gloss primary colors), and one house that had deep grey gloss enamel paint all over walls and ceiling of the LR and DR.

    We used a "high hide white" primer coat or two coats to get to a clean white wall, then painted the desired color. Don't bother with the "primer included" paints - they can't handle this stuff.

  • 10 years ago

    Thanks LG. Way back when we tried to paint over a pastel pink wall and it bled through for coat after coat. Two coats of primer is a good idea. Do you have a favorite primer?

  • PRO
    10 years ago

    There is no reason what so ever for more than one coat of quality primer, none.

  • PRO
    10 years ago

    The shellac primer should do the trick for addressing the nicotine stains (make sure to use a good respirator and provide adequate ventilation, it's stinky stuff). But before that step, I would recommend getting a good pole sander to scuff all the walls and then tack cloth off the dust to ensure good adhesion of the primer coat.

    The paint will not cover the knife cuts, so you'll need to patch those areas also. I like lazy_gardens advice for matching the texture but if you have trouble with that product, you could try joint compound as it's a little easier to work with and dries firmer. Another option, depending on how much texture there is on the walls, is to get a thicker roller nap (maybe 3/4 inch) and spot-finish the patched areas a couple times with the thick nap to build a paint film to match the existing walls.

    Nicotine is a tough obstacle and even completely redoing the room may not entirely eliminate the odor unfortunately, but it's worth trying before ripping out all the drywall. Good luck.

  • PRO
    10 years ago

    More than one coat of primer always baffled me too.

    Actually priming to cover an old color never made sense to me because priming is about prepping the wall to support the new color. If a paint color has inherently good opacity/coverage, then it does not need the support of a white or tinted primer. Just do two finish coats and be done with it.

    Same with using Dirtex interior. I first read the directions for Dirtex here on this forum. Someone posted them to point out that it says it must be flood rinsed. And flood rinsing is not something you can do interior. If it's not rinsed correctly, Dirtex can cause more problems than it was intended to fix.

  • PRO
    10 years ago

    I use two coats of high-build primer (enamel undercoater) on new woodwork where there is a lot of brad holes or a lot of end grain, so the roughness gets filled in before finish coats. Prime, fill nail holes/caulk, prime (or at least spot-prime.) Really important to seal and fill end grain if using oil topcoat, because if not completely filled it will just soak in.

    High-opacity primer also essential to mask spots on the wall where the homeowner painted lots of color swatches. Maybe two coats if the first coat didn't cover the tomato-red swatch.

    Casey

  • 10 years ago

    Yikes - I wonder if the anger issues came before or after the kid painted the room! Conceivably there could be blues/reds that relate well to each other, but those 2 aren't it. Look like very harsh, cold electric colors on my monitor.

    Anyway I had good luck with BIN in sealing in smoke odors... that was afterthoroughly washing the walls. Put plastic down on floor, tape to baseboard all around - and then I laid old carpet and old towels under where I was washing to catch the rivers of nicotine brown water that came streaming down -yuck!!! Well have fun OP - it will be a dramatic transformation and those are always fun!

  • 10 years ago

    Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm taking notes.

    I was only going to use the BIN in the two rooms where the smoker lived. For the glossy painted rooms I was hoping to use something less aromatic. Is there a water based primer that will work on the glossy paint?

    Several years ago we had a fire in the kitchen. The people who came in to clean the house used "special chemicals" to clean the walls and everything. As it turns out the special chemicals they used were the Totally Awesome brand available at Dollar Tree. It's like concentrated 409. They washed every inch of the house two times with that stuff. I'm wondering if that took the place of the Dirtex?? Afterward it was primed with Kilz and painted. A LOT of other stuff was done, but after it was over you cannot tell there was a fire in the house.

  • PRO
    10 years ago

    @Paintguy22 - yes, thanks for catching that!

    Here's a thread about Dirtex & TSP that others might find useful. I have it saved as a favorite because it's GREAT info. http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/2475642/dirtex-same-as-tsp-powdered-vs-spray-dirtex

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