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Keep exterior wall pipes from freezing... help!!

10 years ago
last modified: 10 years ago

Someone suggested I post here, so moving my original post.

Not sure if this is the right place for it, if it is, let me know where to move... but, recently discovered that my pipes in the exterior wall of my bathroom have the insulation batt on top instead of behind them. (we had to open the ceiling in the floor underneath the pipes for something else). The pipes also have the foam tube insulation wrapped around them, and behind them between the stud cavities looks to be filled with a sheet of drywall (i guess as a air barrier to block any intrusion of air from the outside from the original construction - Exterior of the house is cedar interlocking planks w cedar shakes - original to the house, so prob no vapor barrier although we are thinking of putting in vinyl siding in a few years.

We just moved in, but the bathroom was redone recently, so ripping out the bathroom is not an option.

Was thinking of blowing in cellulose insulation behind the pipes to give them some additional protection from freezing. Is this a good idea? Are there other options?

We had a blown in contractor come in and look, and he said he would pull out the existing batt insulation (again, its in front of the pipes behind the drywall instead of behind the pipes) and fill the cavities with blown, however, I didn't want to remove the batt, as it would also take the vapor barrier with it. But everything i've been reading says the insulation over the pipes is just the WORST, considering it is isolating the pipes from the interior of the house and exposing the back to the exterior. Doesn't look like there is an additional vapor barrier between bath wall and cavity, supposing thats what the kraft paper facing was supposed to do.

Just need to know what my options are, best course of action so i prevent freezing pipes. Is the best way really to remove the batt on top of the pipes and just fill the whole cavity to prevent any airflow? I realize ideally the insulation should all be behind, but now we're remediating a problem inherited to us.

I should add the pipes are over a first floor hallway, where a laundry and bath both have vents to heat the space, it is also in front of a door to an enclosed sunroom (mostly windows), and the roofline of that sunroom also protects the pipes about halfway up since they wouldn't be getting any "wind" exposure due to the added structure in front, but not necessarily eliminate drafts.

Thanks in Advance!

Comments (8)

  • 10 years ago

    I'm having a hard time picturing this from your description.

    discovered that my pipes in the exterior wall of my bathroom have the insulation batt on top instead of behind them

    I assume you mean 'in front' instead of 'on top'?

    behind them between the stud cavities looks to be filled with a sheet of drywall

    Huh? I can't picture this at all.

    Maybe pictures would help.


    Are you looking at all of this from below? Can all of the batts even be removed from below? Especially if it has the kraft paper on it. The kraft paper would be stapled to the studs.


  • 10 years ago

    By on top, i mean in front.

    The cavities between the studs seem to have a 1/2" thick drywall piece fitted in the voids between them- we are renovating a downstairs bathroom and this seems to be the case too- maybe this was draft protection in case anything got in through the shingle siding, and then the cedar interlocking planks- anyway, the original pipes downstairs never had a problem on the exterior wall either it seems, although they did have the added crappy 1950s faced batt as well.

    Not sure if all the batt can be removed from below, insulation contractor thinks its possible- but i'm thinking it will not be successful.

  • 10 years ago

    This is not a big deal. Cut the drywall out, get rid of the bat, get a foam installer to spray it, then patch the drywall.

  • PRO
    10 years ago

    I wouldn't worry about the pipes freezing; I think it's unlikely. Leave the bathroom door open on really cold nights.

    sofibebe thanked Joseph Corlett, LLC
  • PRO
    10 years ago

    How about just building a double stud wall? Insulate the exterior wall with foam and batt and leave the interior wall (with plumbing in it) uninsulated.

  • 10 years ago

    Ripping out walls is not an option- bathroom reno is recent so wall is all tiled, wish it were that easy! We will def be adding the rigid foam to exterior wall prior to the siding - but thats only in maybe 3-4 years haha! thanks all for the advise- just going to have the guy fill the existing gap behind the batts and be done with it.

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    If you have access to the plumbing near the shower just put a hot water recirculating system on the shower. Anything that keeps water flowing occasionally will prevent a freeze in an exterior wall. You can also just let your faucets drip in really cold weather. They should not happen all that often so the only problem is remembering.

    Good luck