I've found that in my garden almost any rose does best in morning sun and afternoon shade. I have a Blush Noisette, bought own-root in March of this year, that is growing vigorously, with one 8-foot (thin) cane trained against the house wall, which right now only has about two hours of morning sun. The Noisettes I planted in full sun on a hot hillside all died.

As my climate becomes hotter and hotter, I agree with Ingrid.

Even here, near the SoCal coast, roses are doing better in morning sun and afternoon shade. I increasingly value the monstrous pine tree in our neighbor's yard, to our West -- which shades a good deal of our garden in the afternoon.

The Hookes in France offer what they say is the real CPC.

Nik, This is what I found on their website, looks like they may be questioning this, by the 'This is not correct' statement. Do you have anything newer? Looks like they have the same one as Beale's. I found the book I mentioned above very interesting as it contradicts many of the stories regarding the introduction of Champney's rose or Blush Noisette in Europe. I would be interested if they take the DNA testing of Noisettes to Europe. Europe took off with Noisettes from the flesh colored one (Noisette Carnee) that Philippe Noisette sent his brother and another nurseryman in Normandy, Jacques Durand. Within 10 years, 102 varieties of noisettes were marketed in France.

Quite fascinating, the ferver a new rose creates!

From the Hooks online catalogue (La Roseraie du Desért) Champneys’ Pink Cluster (Beale’s) Medium, semi-double flowers in large clusters, bright pink with gold stamens. This is not correct.

Thanks, all. Unfortuneately ,since my garden has a south-western exposure, I have very little space with only morning sun; in fact, much of it gets shade in the morning and must support the hot sun of the afternoon. If I knew what I know now say 20 years ago when I first started, I might have chosen a different area to cultivate!!! I could've done it all closer to the gate and road and spared myself a lot of back-breaking...though I cannot deny that the area I DID choose to cultivate has a truly magnificent view, at least to my eyes. Reading these comments, I am rather glad that I've starterd putting in cypress trees ,in the hopes of providing SOME shade from the south-west, without blocking the view.

My experience with the Hook's nursery has been so excellent. They really work hard on getting correct id's, I think!

I'm writing in a bit late to agree with what everyone else says. I think people who live with gardens full of trees and structures have no idea of what "full sun" really is. I know, having started out with a treeless field open to the sun from dawn to dusk. In my experience, ALL roses like a degree of protection from sun, some welcoming more sun than others, but even the Teas and Chinas like some shade part of the time. Of course I'm speaking of my Italian garden, with its summer months of long hot cloudless days. England is probably a different proposition entirely.

Anne,

In an email communication we had last year when I enquired about this, Becky Hook wrote back saying:

'...Yes,
we have the true Champney’s Pink Cluster available (for shipment in
autumn). It came from Vintage Gardens in the USA so we can confirm it is
not the other sold in Europe (which we also have and is very
different)...'

Unfortunately I then had to be hospitalised a couple of times and I didn't follow this through.

I'm all for a bit of shade also but just a word of warning here. People gardening in warm long season climates often find that size estimates given in books or catalogues from cooler climes are way too low. Well, imo if one combines this with a bit more shade than is welcome the roses tend to become exceptionally tall and unruly (seeking the sun I suppose). This may be ok for climbers and tree eating ramblers but for a border plant this can become a problem. There's a fine line between some and too much shade which is easy to cross.

Melissa, I have the same south-westerly exposure. Tall trees are the way to go. In my place cypresses and pines do this job. Plus olive trees provide localised shade. Trouble with all these is that they end up drinking up precious water destined for the roses...