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Bay Laurel questions - hedge, sun/shade, etc.

After much, MUCH searching for the best privacy screen for my situation, I'm down to a few options. It seems the perfect one is the laurus nobilis (Bay Laurel, Sweet Bay, etc) for many reasons except one: I'm not certain that I have enough sun. Some places I read "partial to full sun" and others, "partial shade to full sun", but as a complete newbie, I don't really know what that means in practice.

Below I've attached a photo of the shadiest part of the yard (pic taken at 10:45 am). If you look closely you can see where the sun hits my neighbor's roof and where it hits my yard (below my avocado tree). I'm 6'4" and if I stand where the hedge would be, the sun grazes the top of my head. So I guess it's fair to say that if I grow the hedge to 15ft (which is the plan) the top 8.5 feet would get what I'm calling "filtered sun". Of course, the filter being the neighbor's tree's.

Also keep in mind that the sun is quite low now in mid-December.

And in case you were wondering, the other two good options are Carolina Cherry and Monterey Bay Brush Cherry. The reason I prefer Bay Laurel: t's not poisonous (something my wife just can't seem to accept with the Carolina) and the MB brush cherry appears to have the same sun needs as the laurus but requires more water and I have to deal with the psyllid issue.

Any input provided is greatly appreciated!

Comments (7)

  • 9 years ago

    Is the purpose is to screen out the neighbor's window? Or do you want to screen out the neighbor's entire building? Are you thinking a hedge, or just one individual plant?


  • 9 years ago

    Laurus nobilis is pretty slow growing in sun. It is very slow growing in shade. How long of a grow in time are you expecting for that hedge?

  • 9 years ago

    Hey, hoovb. The purpose is to screen out the whole yard. The area in the pic is about half of the 100 linear feet I'll be planting them. So, I figure 20-25 to create a nice hedge.

    Nil13, I had read that they were slow growing. At first I considered that a disadvantage, because c'mon, who doesn't like instant gratification? But the more I think of it, probably a good thing once they're full size, huh? Then maybe I don't have to trim them as much?

    So, is that the main disadvantage to growing them in shade -- that they grow more slowly? I just want to feel confident that they'll actually grow, even if I must be patient.

  • 9 years ago

    Bay is eventually a 35' tree. That doesn't happen fast, but the tree's DNA wants it to happen, so long term there will always be a conflict between what the tree's DNA wants and what you want. Long term, a plant that wants to be closer to the mature size you desire--it's a good idea.

    If you are not expecting instant results, consider Camellias--they make a long-lived, dense screen in time, with the bonus of beautiful winter flowers, and root systems that will do no harm to the block wall, or your yard, or any pipes in the area. If their roots are shaded, they have quite low water requirements, once established. Camellias are under story small trees in their natural habitat, growing in dryish soil beneath larger trees.

    Nuccios in Altandena could give you suggestions as to which varieties would do best for you.

    Other shade-lovers to consider perhaps Fatsia japonica, Schefflera arboricola, Acuba japonica. Keep in mind that in always-shady areas, soil retains moisture a lot better than in sunny areas, so don't be quite as concerned about water needs in those areas as in all-day hot sun.

    It could also be mentioned that one day your neighbor may cut down everything in his/her yard, leaving your hedge exposed to sun. It happens. Doesn't hurt to plan for the unexpected!

  • 9 years ago

    Bay laurel is pretty vertical in habit, anywhere other trees with more spreading growth will be seen over it or near it a visual tension will be created, the laurel appearing to be thrusting up into the other plants. Also laurel grows pretty tall in time - one at the University of Washington (Seattle, USDA 8) was 45' high about 10 years ago - although it is very tolerant of shearing.

  • 9 years ago

    I've noticed in parks in Italy that bay laurel gets a little thin if grown in too much shade. But the growth habit is mostly determined by the lighting during its spring-summer growth season, so evaluate based on light during those seasons. Don't forget to calculate future growth of neighbor's trees.

    Though it can be trained up into a handsome tree, the more it is shorn in its younger years, the bushier it will be.

    Have you evaluated another Mediterranean plant, myrtle? This is Myrtus communis, not the flowering Asian crepe myrtle tree. This is a small-leaved evergreen shrub, hardy through blistering heat, sun, frost, drought. It is reminiscent in form of boxwood, but with a nice scent, and faster growing. Like all sun-loving plants it can get leggy in deep shade. Find out if anyone in your area is growing it and if they are having success. Its tender growth tips are nice as a culinary herb.

    Good luck with your hedge!

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