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Tomato seedlings growing VERY slowly! Help needed badly!

9 years ago

This happens to me every year and it's
driving me nuts! I started my tomatoes (a mix of regular
indeterminate and dwarfs) on January 15. It is now 2 months later,
and the seedlings have done very poorly. They're only 3 to 4 inches
tall each (except the dwarfs, which are about 1-2 inches). Each has
2, maybe 3 sets of leaves. Some still have only their first true
leaves!!


For most, the leaves are unhealthy
looking. They're tiny, yellowish, with purple veins throughout. New
growth looks worse than the old. It can take the plants one whole
week to grow even a single new leaf. This seems very wrong to me!


Here's a list of how I did things so
maybe you can help:

1. Sowed seeds 3 to a small pot in
Miracle Grow Potting Mix. (Have tried other mixes in the past w/same
problem). Seeds took 5-10 days to sprout.


2. Put germinated seeds under brand new
4-foot T8 lights indoors immediately. Lights stay on for 14 hours a
day at least. Turned off overnight. Lights held 1-2 inches above
seedlings, moved up as necessary. Temperature kept at 75 or above.


3. Watered only when soil felt dry,
every few days as these were tiny pots. Top watered at first, later
switched to bottom water. Plants never wilted despite letting soil
dry out.

4. Seedlings grew first true leaves
within a week or so. After this, they seemed to sit there barely
growing. Plants about 2 inches tall after one month.


5. When plants had 2 sets of leaves, I
transplanted each one into its own 32 oz clean yogurt container with
fresh Miracle Grow Potting Mix. Planted deep, up to the bottom of
first true leaves. I may have torn some roots when separating plants,
possibly stunting them?


6. They went back under lights. From
here, they very slowly grew upward, but barely put out any new growth
of branches or leaves. I assumed they were working on root growth
however, when I pulled them out to check a month later, the root
system was quite small and didn't fill the container by any means.


7. At no point did I fertilize because
the Miracle Grow potting mix already contained food. The bag said it
fed for 3 months or something, so you'd think the food would have
lasted at least a month for such a small pot, right? I was hardly
watering so I didn't think all the nutrients would have washed out
that fast.


8. I began setting the plants outside
to harden off about 2 and a half weeks ago. Temps in 60s - 70s,
gradually increasing sun. Brought in at night. The real sunlight did
little to spur new growth and in fact, seemed to make some plants
worse. Their leaves began to curl, got crispy, and the yellowing with
purple veins became more pronounced.


9. A few days ago, when the plants were
almost exactly 2 months old, I got desperate and decided to put them
out in the garden. At this point root growth was still very scarce.
Only a few of the plants looked green and healthy, albeit still
really small. (My garden's a mixture of containers filled with
Kellogg Raised Bed Mix and Miracle Grow potting mix. Raised beds (sq
foot garden) is filled with a "vegetable mix" bought from
city landfill consisting of compost, shredded bark, expanded shale
and IDK what else.)


10. Then yesterday, nature mocks me by
sending a severe freak hailstorm to my garden. It knocked off several
of the already scant leaves and shredded most others, so now some
plants are down to only one leaf left and they look extremely sorry
indeed. Luckily I have a few that were undercover and not hurt.


I had hoped they would recover, but my
growing season is really short in north TX (zone 8a) and I don't have
time to wait, so I had to go out and buy a couple of backups. It's
almost depressing how much bigger the Bonnie tomato plants are
compared to mine.


As I said earlier, this same thing
happens to me every single year no matter what I do. Even my bell
pepper seedlings are stunted - they're almost yellow with only one
set of leaves after 2 months, and each is about 1 inch tall. I've
started seeds in other mixes, including an organic mix, compost,
coconut coir, wet paper towels, etc and same issue with all of them.
I desperately need to know why this is happening so it never does
again! Thank you all so much.

Comments (13)

  • 9 years ago

    Hi Rogue, Here are some things I do differently... I don't like Miracle grow potting mix for starting tomatoes. I use coconut coir mixed with perlite and vermiculite... No molds grow in that. I don't get any damping off disease. I water this mix with water with calcium and magnesium supplement in it.

    I put 3 seeds in 22 ounce cups with a 1/4 inch hole drilled in the bottom. I never disturb those plants again until they go in the dirt outside. I pick the best of those three plants and cut off the rest with a scissors so I don't disturb the baby roots or stem.

    As soon as I have growth starting and plants slow down, I add 1 tsp of my organic fertilizer. That way I control the amount.

    When I harden off the plants, I put them in the sun for 1 hr the first day and gradually increase from there.

    I am sure you will get more/better advice than this, but this is a start. :)

    Rebecca

  • 9 years ago

    "when I pulled them out to check a month later, the root system was quite small"

    There is only one thing that causes that - over-watering, keeping the soil too moist causing rootlet rot and suffocation.

    While I don't personally care for MG Potting Mix I can't fault it as many report excellent results with it. It is better than some of the so-called "seed starting" mixes out there. There is nothing wrong with your lights and although 75 is a bit too warm it isn't going to hurt them.

    Are you per chance using peat pots prior to the yogurt containers? They only make the moisture control issues worse. And this is for sure MG Potting Mix not MG Garden Soil? They are often confused.

    "leaves began to curl, got crispy, and the yellowing with purple veins became more pronounced."

    Yet another sign of over-watering.

    "Even my bell pepper seedlings are stunted - they're almost yellow with only one set of leaves after 2 months"

    And yet another. Pepper plants are even less tolerant of water than tomato plants are.

    Honestly even when some someone swears they are not over-watering 9x out of 10 they are. It is the single most common mistake made when growing from seed and kills more seedlings than all other causes combined. The only way to prove it to yourself is to force yourself to cut your inclination to water by half and watch what the improvement with your plants.

    Dave

  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I think you are doing many things correctly. My only comment is: DO NOT use "moisture control" Miracle Grow. The polymers they use in that... holds water and makes the mix a mucky mess. That stuff is for things like hanging baskets only. Other than that...watch the watering. The plants will wilt from lack of water...and quickly recover if watered soon enough.

  • 9 years ago

    Did your cups have drainage holes ? If not they would get to much water.

    Even with potting mix I would fertilize but at much lowe concentration, lik 1/3 strength.

    Yellow leaves is indication of too much water , too little N and not enough light. But you mentioned :


    ""2. Put germinated seeds under brand new
    4-foot T8 lights indoors immediately. Lights stay on for 14 hours a
    day at least. Turned off overnight. Lights held 1-2 inches above
    seedlings, moved up as necessary. Temperature kept at 75 or above.
    ""

    What you have done should be fine. I can only suspect lack of nutrients and too much water.

    Sey



  • 9 years ago

    The fact that you say that your plants have "NEVER WILTED", tells me that irrigation practices is your main issue. Everything else you mention sounds like you are on track. I purposely dry my plants out to a point where the leaves get wimpy. It makes for a stronger root system and a more tone plant.

    The underpaid, lonesome irrigator in a nursery is actually the "grower". The "grower" is actually a manager of people. Many nurseries, large and small, never come to this realization.


  • 9 years ago

    "At no point did I fertilize because the Miracle Grow potting mix already contained food."

    Don't trust Miracle Gro Potting mix because it's composition varies across the country. As I recall, it says on the bag that the ingredients are locally obtained and vary by location of manufacture. So, it is meaningless when somebody says they have had great results with it.

    "I've started seeds in other mixes, including an organic mix, compost, coconut coir, wet paper towels, etc and same issue with all of them."

    So, did you not fertilize that too?

  • 9 years ago

    As to the need for fertilizer, re-read the OP post. 1-2" tall plants such as the OP describes don't need any fertilizer.

    Dave

  • 9 years ago

    Change up your treatment. Fertilize some and not others. Have a control group and a test group. While testing, document everything. Ie;water plants x, not plants y. fertilized plants x with fertilizer A. Didn't fertilize plants y.

    Get all sciencey, get a lab coat and a clip board. Have fun. And good luck.

  • 9 years ago

    Where are you growing these plants? Some poorly vented, burned gases (natural gas) will cause stunting and deformities in some types of plants. I have only ever seen this in a tightly sealed GH with a natural gas heater though.

  • 9 years ago

    Why not start seeds in seed starting trays? It makes it much harder to overwater. Putting them in 32oz containers when they are 2" tall sounds like too big a pot to me too.

    I also wonder about what ncrealestateguy has posted, where exactly are you growing these things, where the temp is 75 consistently?

  • 9 years ago

    Two things I would change.

    Get seed starting mix and start in cells.

    Repot into 3.5 inch pots or 12 oz cups when first set of leaves are developed. Only at this point would I use MG potting mix.

  • 9 years ago

    Thanks everyone for all the advice. I think you might be right and not fertilizing could be the problem. Next time, I'll do an experiment as Ignatz suggested: one half with no added food, the other half fed. I'll also use a plain seed starting medium.


    As for why it's 75 degrees, I am growing inside my house (bathroom to be exact) for lack of anywhere better. Our house has poor insulation so the heat runs nonstop in the winter, causing the temp to get kind of high at times. The bathroom is also probably quite humid given people using the shower several times a day, bumping the temp up further.


    I'm amazed you all think overwatering was the issue. I know how easy it is to do that, and was really stingy with water. Yes, my pots did have drainage holes. They were plastic nursery pots, not peat. Would you say that watering once a week is too much between 1-2 months old? Also: Do you think my city water might be affecting the plants badly? One source said it was high in chlorine, which seems real bad for young plants but perhaps I'm mistaken.


    I'll try changing up my starting pots, too. Cells to 3.5 inch pots makes sense. Thanks again everyone.

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