My window that is so close to the floor, my contractor said is tempered. But the etched in writing is not in white, which is probably why I don't see it or maybe it is up high. But I know that some of the windows in my house are tempered as to follow code. I'm fine I'll live with it on these cabinets. Another blog I was reading, someone stated that sometimes it is a sticker. That is where I got that from. Again, that is just going from what someone else online said....I am not saying that I know that for sure. Another person in a blog said that you can request tempered glass not have the etching in it. Again I don't know and it is too late anyhow. I was just reaching for answer to the process to maybe remove this. Thanks!

That is why I gave you the actual code, word for word up there ;). So you can quit listening to other people's made up versions. Sure, you could order tempered glass without a label, or designation marking, but then it wouldn't meet code any more than a standard piece of glass.

HOWEVER,

Furniture is generally not within the purview of the IRC

http://publicecodes.cyberregs.com/icod/irc/2012/icod_irc_2012_3_sec008.htm?bu2=undefined

But, once the label is on there, it is supposed to be impossible to remove :-/

We just did the same and discovered it as well. Its ridiculous and bothers me also. Probably the result of some government safety committee requiring it on each pane.

Focus on the fact that when your child slips and falls and breaks that glass door, there won't be a severed artery with you hoping to make it to the hospital in time. If the glass weren't permanently marked, you can bet some cheap sob somewhere would put in plain glass and then you would get that severed artery. You've got princess and the pea first world ''problems''.

What is done is according to building codes. Too late for some, but NC allows you to get a certificate from the glass supplier that states that the glass is tempered. You have to know this in advance and know whether your local codes would allow. Would have to ask for it up front.

Diane when I look at your picture of the doors (not the detail of the etching), I don't see the etching at all. I guarantee your guests and anyone not looking will not notice the etching, and you will soon no longer notice it every day either. Doors are lovely.

Mrs D ... I hope you were able to work this out. It IS possible to order tempered glass without a "bug", or with the bug placed at the extreme adge. This option puts the installation "out of compliance" for the ability for a visual review, whether by a prospective home buyer or maybe a Fire Marshall etc who have the authority to make you replace the glass back to glass with the logo, or at least remove the glass stop to show the bug.

Some door manufacturers may do this, but will require you to sign a waiver stating that you accept all liability.

Technically, you would not be out of compliance for the strength of the glass if it is tempered, but proving it is tempered would be difficult....unless you break it and the breakage is consistent with tempered glass (little pieces).

You might be able to find a local glazier (glass shop) that will order and install new glass. Just know that you will need to sign waivers and you will be subject to any future inspection requirements.

You must sign the waver having no logos or just one for however many parts of glass there is in its size .The person stamping logos while loading the glass , a majority of the time has no idea what the glass will be used for.

Well, I received the info I was looking for on this blog. Guess I'll live with the 20 stamps (on each pane) of my french doors. And my contractor won't even have to listen to me whine because I see it's the government "helping" us again!

I don't mind the regulation of the tempered glass, but who is the incompetent designer that decided that this is how the information needs to be communicated? Given the use of a little brainpower, several better solutions could have been utilized. This one, is the worst.

Seriously. It "bugs" me on the daily! Our beautiful historical home looks cheap because of these emblems on every pane of glass. I had no idea as my windows and doors came with the glass covered for paint as well. It is such a disappointment after spending a significantly higher amount of money to match the existing windows in our 100+ year old home. If anyone has any advice on how to remove these, please share. I'll keep one to abide by the law, which is absurd. 100s of them are ridiculous and so upsetting!

They are required to be etched into the glass and not removable. Liberal politics at it's finest!

We recently had a gorgeous stain grade wood entry door installed that we custom ordered. It is a ten lite door with the tempered glass stamped on every pane. It is not at all discreet but six very pronounced white lines of lettering and numbers etched in the glass. It looks hideous! The door is ruined. It is so noticeable that our son came over to see our new door and after viewing it asked us why we haven't removed the stickers! I have since done some research and have found out that when doing a remodel rather than new construction, one is able to request there be no bugs! Not sure if all companies do this but this one that I spoke with does it all the time if requested. Oh how we wish we would have been given the option at the time. On new construction however they cannot as it will not pass inspection.

Isn't it the most devastating thing Marlene?! It really does ruin my day. Sounds petty, but after all the blood, sweat and tears put in with our remodel, it really is awful. Dumbest rule ever! I have 14 8 pane windows and 6 8 paned french doors. 4 french panels have double bugs!! It's ridiculous!

Just installed my new beautiful door today with 6 panes of glass. After cleaning the glass I feverishly tried to remove the 12 stamps on each corner. I was sure it was a mistake. I then panicked and went through the whole process on how the return was going to happen. Now I find out - it is not a mistake! How is this possible? Why was I not warned? I am shocked that anyone finds this acceptable. When the light is on in the evening - the stamps glow! Unacceptable - how about a single tiny logo.

This regulation has been in place for MANY YEARS. It is not new - it is a given and it cannot be removable. Your government not only thinks it is acceptable - they think it is absolutely, positively necessary because our society is so litigious and people take no responsibility for their own actions (and the ultimate consequences). People sue over bumping into or walking through a glass door.

For me its not that there are 5 lines of text per pane...its that it wasn't in the product discription. It truly is a visual flaw! I definitely would not have purchased them!

If you would not have purchased them, you would not have had the door or the window.

I would have found doors with untempered glass.

That could not have been installed. Tempered is required. Which is why it’s labeled for easy visual inspection to see if it complies with code.

You can't purchase divided light doors without tempered glass. It is required. What you can do is purchase a single pane glass door and used false dividers on it and then there would only be one logo on the glass - which is also required to be tempered. But then you live with an imitation of divided lights instead of the real thing.

I even have a stamp on a small glass side table - unsightly for sure! There has to be another way!

Lobby your senators and representatives.

Just had a door installed...same thing

I just had the same experience, we did manage to take water and a sharp razor blade and soften the abnoxiousness of the oversized glowing white porcelain stamp, I am in full agreement that the legal jagon could be minimized to create a less obtrusive stamp. While I respect the concept, come on, we can do better.

I order no logo tempered glass all the time, but it must be specified in your RFI. The labels that come on the glass identifies it as tempered glass, that's all the inspector needs to see.

My 8 foot french doors has a logo on each panel as well and looks totally cheap. When one purchases the doors all that needs to be done is a stamp on the wood on the side. It's RIDICULOUS and has nothing to do with anything other than control and law suits. I find it insulting. My next move is to make my own set of frenchdoors with TEMPERED GLASS that I know is there and not "vomited" all over the beauty of the doors.

I am absolutely heartbroken to find the etching on our beautiful new French doors - every single pane and extremely obvious - and no way to make them disappear. How can anyone think this is acceptable?

I just installed a new front door with 6 smoked glass windows. They have the tempered designation on each pane but the wording is crooked and reads backwards because of how the glass was installed. Is it legal to install the glass with the wording backwards?

I worked with a company called Rogue Valley Doors and they special ordered a true divided lite French door without the tempered glass bugs in the glass. It’s tempered glass but they make it without the bugs showing. Took 6 weeks to get it but well worth the wait.

Why do you find it amusing?

I have the same problem I have just had French doors fitted at great expense with many panes of glass and they all have the logo, it looks hideous

We just got our doors and writing on all windows. I’m upset.

Thank republicans for making those logos required so contractors don't import cheap Chinese glass. Bunch of snowflakes in this thread, it's hilarious 😂

I hate all these stickers. I am glad it is tempered for safety, but you only need to tell me once. They are literally etched into each of the 30 panes of glass.

We all feel your pain!

Ugh... in the same boat. I thought I was getting better doors by getting true divided lights. Glad I didn't bother trying nail polish remover since I would likely have damaged my paint in the process.

Glad I found this thread to see that I am not alone. Just had doors installed and have this stamp on every pane. Had we been properly informed I would have gone with different glass or one full sheet with faux dividers and 4 stamps instead of 40.

To be honest I don’t really notice it as much anymore

My contractor didn't know, and he said he spoke with the building material store, and they didn't know either, and they called the manufacturer, and they did know, but kept it a secret, I guess. smh ... I just had two sets of wood interior 15 true divided lite french door units installed and painted; glass panes all covered up nicely; after the painting and cleaning up I walk in to look at my beautiful new doors and to my horror I see that all 60 panes have a hideous tempered glass logo in the corner looking back at me. The door units are on the same interior wall and about 12ft apart separating the same two room levels. One set of glass pane logos are on the hinged side while the other set of door pane logos are on the knob side; they couldn't even make the logo placements consistant on these units. I'm sick over this and they're laughing all the way to the bank.

Ugh. I can’t unsee it. Wish I’d seen this thread or someone would have told me 🤦‍♀️

Just had interior french doors installed. After all painting was finished, I wanted to clean each pane. To my disappointment, I discovered the etched logo on each pane. Looks ridiculous! I am sick to my stomach. Also had a new front door with side lights, a total of 12 window panes. Logo is only on the bottom windows. A french door in my breakfast room, with 15 window panes has two logos on the bottom. I don’t understand. 😩

If people hate this or want to complain about it, you need to contact the government entity in your state that controls building codes. There is nothing anyone else can do.

I agree a million percent - just installed new French doors and they look like s*** with these glass etchings. Had I known this I would have done anything else than this. It looks so terrible and I’m upset my door vendor did not tell us this would be the case. Why not say true divided lights will not look historical they will look like safety billboards. Hate hate hate. What jackass came up with this stupidity?

Same here! Sun shines in and all I see are these damn logos for tempered glass! I thought it had to be a sticker in each window but oh no some stupid regulator created a regulation to indicate this etched logo was necessary and mess with all french doors! This is crazy! I am sick about it.

Came across this thread while searching for something else, but read through it anyway. Even if it's old, it needs some serious clarification.

First, this is the actual code requirement:

R308.1.1 Identification of multiple assemblies.

Multipane assemblies having individual panes not exceeding 1 square foot (0.09 m2) in exposed area shall have not less than one pane in the assembly identified in accordance with Section R308.1.

Note that only ONE lite in the door requires the safety logo, not all of them, and it doesn't have to be big and obvious, it can be small and faint as long as it carries the required information.

And while only one lite has to carry the full safety glazing information, that doesn't mean that the rest of the lites don't have to be labeled, The remaining lites are required to be identifiable as safety glass, but all they need to meet code is a single, small etching that says "Z97.1" in 3/16" lettering in one corner of the glass and all is good.

So why does your door glass look like $#!^ because each lite has a big bright logo on it? Several possible reasons, and NONE of them resulting from any government involvement.

First, and looking at the close up of the label posted by Diane Campbell earlier in the thread, tells you that the glass came from China, where much (almost all?) of the glass used in production vs custom true divided lite French doors comes from. That particular logo is big and full and has information included that isn't actually required, it's optional.

Now imagine a huge factory that produces nothing but small tempered lites for use as true divided lites primarily in French door. This factory exports literally millions of these lites every year and, since they are going to be used in applications requiring safety glass, they are labelled as such using the full logo on each and every lite. To suggest that the factory could manufacture some lites with full logo and some lites with just the simple etch is certainly possible and while it could be done, but while a door assembly doesn't require each lite to have a full logo, technically individual lites do require the logo to be considered tempered glass and the giant overseas glass factory really has no idea where their glass is going to end up.

In a custom application where the glass is sold as a complete package, no problem, but in a factory producing millions of lites a year they really don't have a compelling reason to do so. Also keep in mind that custom door does not necessarily mean custom glass. It's entirely possible that even a custom door shop might buy their glass from the same importer as the big production guys.

The door manufacturer who imports the true divided tempered lites from China and has a factory floor filled with racks of glass waiting to be installed in their doors might think of glass as not much more than an afterthought. Two issues, first is that the folks who run the factory really believe that each and every lite requires the full logo because "of course it does, it's tempered glass in a door". Second, even if they know that only one lite might require the full logo, while the other lites only need the minimal etch, they don't have any lites with minimal etch because their supplier doesn't actually make them or else charges way too much for a custom etching. Also having to pick and choose which logo goes where on every single door is going to result in mistakes or at least slow production. It's simply easier and potentially more cost-effective to use the same glass on every opening.

It's also entirely possible that even a smaller local glass shop that can temper their own glass might not know the code either and may automatically logo every lite for a custom door as a standard operating procedure. It's probably unlikely that the small custom door shop who is making the door knows any more than the glass shop does in that case. And finally how many sales people do you think actually know the code, plus there's always the building inspector who might or might not know the specifics, because in the scheme of things that one is rather obscure.