Oh, Northland has Quick Silver too. Somebody stop me.

lol, Jasmine. Just like a kid walked in a candy store......I like their ramblers/climbers.......they have Fuji...... :-)

My Colette has a terrible sucker problem, but I am thinking soon, I will try to move it up to Ukiah. Too bad its still in patent, but I wonder why its so hard to find, its a great rose. It fact, it was the best one I had in san francisco, in terms of as long as I used fungal sprays, it did better then any of the hybrid teas. Only golden showers was faster growing, but I had that a long time ago. My Colette is on a root stock. I keep it small due to location, but it Ukiah, I have a tall fense I can see if I can make it grow taller.

this is going to sound psychotic, so you can all sign out and I'd completely understand. but now I'm wondering if I should just go with impressionist. i love them both. but I don't know if I want to wait so long to enjoy a nice big climber :( i could wait til next year, but if this year I can be successful with my 3 (eden & abraham darby for front of house....and potentially impressionist for this pillar) then I could always find a spot or tree to put colette on. I'm terrified of diseases and am starting to worry less about how I'm going to train these things and just go with it. so yea....impressionist might be my answer now. it just seems like colette isn't meant to be right now

Maybe someone from your area can say more, but The Impressionist gets blackspot, even a touch for me and my area doesn't really get blackspot. It also blooms far less than Colette, but I keep it, because the blooms are beautiful.

Don't worry about second guessing. We've all been there, done that. I did a ton of research before I selected roses and still made changes after that. My friends are all recipients of roses when I had a change of mind or when the roses didn't do well in my challenging garden.

Sorry Jasmine I can't even stop myself so I won't be any help.

I had to shovel prune the Impressionist for defoliating black spot. If i'm remembering correctly the canes were rather stiff perhaps not suited to a pillar.

Thats funny, we all talked ourselves into Colette and Elizabeth out of it. Do you NEED Marianne by any chance ? Feel free to talk me into it.

I have The Impressionist on a pillar, just not wrapped around, because the canes are stiff and upright. I figured if it gets a touch of blackspot where there is no blackspot pressure, it must be terrible where there is.

You know everything happens for a reason. I don't regret to order one Colette. Thanks for the thread! :-)

Elizabeth, have you seen Honeymoon on Northland Rosarium's website? It says it has excellent disease resistance. Scroll to the end to see Patty's photo of it on this thread: kordes-honeymoon. It's dreamy and that's the first bloom! I'm entranced with all these climbers.

I've also been lusting after Colette for a few years since I saw it growing in California. It was too big to bring home on the plane, so I passed it up. Big mistake. I can't find it anywhere! Then I started following this thread and decided to order from the ebay seller. It came today, POSTAGE DUE. So much for free shipping! The rose was a decent size, BUT there is a golf ball sized crown gall on it! Aaaack!!

I sent a photo of the rose gall and the postage due box to the seller. He did answer me today, and suggested I plant the (large climbing) rose in a big pot and treat it well. I had told him that every rosarian I know would immediately dispose of any rose that had crown gall so as not to infect their soil or other roses. I have 540 other roses and don't want to risk infecting any of them. He said if it didn't grow well, he would exchange it. He has 2 left at this point, but now that I know he has crown gall, I don't really want anything from his soil. And I'm out the postage on top of the $32 for the bad rose? Then I threw more good money after bad and went out and bought a chemical that might treat gall but is mainly for fireblight, but it's all the local nurseries could offer. The 3 nurseries I went to today all said to dispose of the rose, which I know is the right thing to do, but I really, really want this rose.

So here's a hint to the rest of you: the ebay seller who is selling Colette has rose gall. Here's a picture of what I got:

I hope you open a case with Ebay as soon as you are able to. They will support you. Make sure to include the shipping costs when asking to be refunded. It's good you have the photograph. I know you must feel terrible, but you will be able to get Colette from a reputable seller when they come back in stock.

omg! awful! I'm so sorry, and to top it off - - can we really trust that it's truly colette? northland rosarium said she'd sell me the cutting this may for $17 but I decided to wait for the 1 gallon pot when heirloom has it back. in the mean time, I decided to get the impressionist and see how that does. dispute this immediately and get your money back! ! I'm so sorry! that's a huge garden it sounds to risk for this one rose. send us photos of your garden! would love to see!

I am getting one from northland rosarium in May. By the time Heirloom has the gal size, mine will be gal size too. :-)

One point to consider, I have some own roots roots and they will be much smaller then the ones on root stocks. I decided to try and bring mine back since it's out of print. I hope it can survive transplant. Also I did contact Star Roses and they won't say, if they are making Colette anymore or why they are or why not. Cuttings are really hard to do and normally won't take, so air laying which is even more work, I guess would be the thing to try. Its still Patented so I can't give cuttings away. If I had known it was out of print, I would have been more pro active about hanging on it.

Colette is not out of commerce, just out of stock. Growers need a chance let their material grow. Remember, roses are a live product with their own seasonal rhythm. Weather also comes into play.

Oh, that is great. How do you know it will be back? I wonder if they are just trying to create a panic? I also collect dolls and certain companies release dolls in something like lots of 10,000 dolls. Then they never release them again. This causes people to basically go insane and buy one of every doll just because that doll will be out of print and if you don't buy it new, you have to spend five times as much and buy it as a resale on ebay. But, you can't really buy one of every rose, there is no way.

And Colette was not that easy to get started. I bought it first bareroot and it would not take. It got a terrible infestation of aphids. And the usually products failed, so I test a new product and it died. I was so upset. I then bought it in a pot which cost a lot more, but that one took. San Francisco is filled with so many insects. Colette was not an easy rose. I would say, she is advanced and then she got Botrytis. But, I think a move to Ukiah in the hot sun, I hope that can burn up the Botrytis? Its a problem. I could not really be sure if I took a cutting would that have Botrytis as well? That was part of my motivation to leave it behind. It has to be treated for Botrytis regularly. But, I got over there and spray it once a month.

A few aphids, I don't worry about, because they are food for beneficial insects. But when they completely cover my roses, I hose them off with a good spray. There might be more the next day, but I knock them off again. If it is one of my water restriction days, I put water in a pump sprayer. Neighbors probably think I'm treating the roses with chemicals, but it's just water :-), enough to get the job done.

Botrytis is a fungal disease, so you wouldn't have to worry about the cutting in the same way you would a virus infected plant. Here is an article that I hope will help: How to Recognize and Control Botrytis.

The reason why I know Colette will be back is because Northland Rosarium was already contacted and they said they would have plants ready by May. Their contact information is on this link: Northland Rosarium. I got a call from them today and she was was very personable. I ordered Quick Silver, but if I had room for another, I would order Honeymoon too. If Colette was prone to disease in your area, then I think you made a good decision to leave it behind. There are plenty of other roses to choose from :-)

Diane, Is Colette hard to grow in your zone? I am just wondering how it does for you in zone 7.......I will grow it in a pot, it rated for zone 7.

Colette is very easy to grow for me. She never has a bit of cane damage due to the cold. I don't have to worry about fungal disease here, so I can't advise about that issue. I think Colette is actually hardy to about zone 5. You should talk to Cynthia (Nippstress) about this because she grows Colette in zone 5, and she once commented that Colette had some very hardy roses in her ancestry. So far, I love this rose. Diane

Thanks Diane, that's nice know. I will plant it in the garden when it's bigger. :-)

Cindi , sorry about your trouble on eBay, and thanks for the warning. There should be something to treat it. Ask Roseseek (Kim), he knows everything about roses.

The whole Botrytis problem was super weird. I posted photos of the rose looking brown all over and I know that is not how Botrytis looks. I thought the rose was turning brown from the metal trellis. Someone said Botrytis and maybe it was not, but yet what I used Daconil saved that rose. I think moving it to a place with hot sun will take care of the issue. At least I hope it would. I assume any cutting would have this problem, because rather then just the leaves the entire plant with the stems and all turns brown. If the disease is in the cane such as in brown canker I assume it is in any cutting.

Did you try Northland Rosarium? I heard they had Colette.

I don't normally take photos of a disease, but this was a photo I found and you can see if how the flower bubs were turning brown and only Daconil was able to make this condition go away and not Banner Maxx which is my go to for all rose fungals. The flowers would turn brown in bud stage and never open, so it basically almost never bloomed.

Laurel, glad your roses returned to health.
Rogue Valley Roses sent me an E-mail Colette is back in stock. i think they may spell it differently in the search as Collette.

I see it here. That is totally how the flower looks for me when its happy. Its too bad, I did not tack it on my last order. I got six roses.

http://www.roguevalleyroses.com/collette

Rogue Valley is misspelling Colette if they use two L's. Diane

• I dug mine up and moved it in a big pot. It has not shown signs of growing. I think its in shock, but it is not wilted. I had to cut off most of the upper growth because it had thrips.

We will have Colette available again in March , 2017 as she is growing right now. You can subscribe to be automatically notified by email by entereing your email adddress here.

http://www.heirloomroses.com/colette.html

Thanks!

Oh my gosh Diane. Your landscaping is beyond gorgeous. Mine did great this spring for its second year. Can't wait til it gets like yours. Gorgeous gorgeous!!! Judy

Diane, gorgeous roses as usual. What are those cherry coloured flowers to the right of Young Lycidas?

Diane, that is just to die for! Mine just never did well in san francisco, but I am hopefully that here in the Ukiah Valley she might be like yours someday.

Thank you guys---you make me feel better while we endure this current heatwave, and the roses don't look so great. Fragrancen, those flowers you ask about are Jupiter's Beard or Valerian. I have it in a number of spots around my garden. It's tough as all get out and reblooms until frost if you deadhead it. It does lots of reseeding, which has its good points and bad, but you never have to buy more plants once you get one Jupiter's Beard. Thanks again, Diane

Thanks Diane, I didn't know Valerian comes in such deep colours. I thought it was mostly white and pink. Yours look fantastic! Does it mind your hot summers?

Fragrance, Jupiter's Beard doesn't blink an "eye" at heat, and is totally cold proof (which you don't have to worry about). My friend and I joke that you could beat it with a hammer, and it would come right back at you. It comes in red, pink, and white. It's darkest when it first blooms and looks pinker later. Then it starts to look a bit seedy, and that's the time to cut it back. You don't divide it because of the taproot, but rely on seedlings for new plants. Diane

Thanks Diane I will look out for it! I went to two nurseries today but couldn't find any. :(

Fragrancen, I couldn't believe the troubles Bethnorcal had with valerian (Centranthus rurber). She details them in her thread just posted last night about Lessons Learned. I've found as long as you remove the seedlings of Jupiter's Beard/valerian, there are no problems. The plant in my photo is 12 years old and has never given me any trouble, nor have any of my other plants. Valerian has a tap root, but doesn't put out runners. I have removed many mature plants over the years because I'm always changing things, and never had a problem (many roses I've removed were way worse to deal with). I'm 70, not exactly a teenager, either. My close friend who gardens 2 acres at age 70, loves Jupiter's Beard, and she was the one who gave me my first plant 12 years ago. But, you are in zone 10, so you may have to be more vigilant with this plant than I have to be. Perhaps, that is why it's not available in your area. Bonnie, jasminerosesforu, is in Zone 10, I believe, and has been growing a fairly new Jupiter's Beard plant, so we need to ask her what her experiences are so far with the plant. Oh, I also have many perennials planted right in with my roses and have had very little problem with them. You just have to be observant on a regular basis. I have very few, if any, that have to be divided, either. (I'd be happy to share some of plant list). Diane

Diane, I'm in zone 8b. My Jupiter's Beard is only about 3 inches tall. I planted it without amending my hard clay soil. Perhaps I will replant them to add some potting mix. We've had a few weeks of triple digit heat the Jupiter's Beard is still hanging in there. I'm looking forward to them taking off. I have them planted with my Iceberg roses. Fragrancenutter if you can't find plants locally, perhaps you can find seeds online.

Thanks Bonnie I have thought about the online shopping but Western Australia has strict quarantine rules and to get a packet of valerian seed from another state would cost me $57 for quarantine inspections! It's a crazy place I live in! I have since found out that Jupiter's beard grow wild as a weed in many farming areas here. Maybe I should go and offer my help to get some of these weeds out of the farms and into my garden!

Some young Valerian, self seeded.

Too bad about Australia being so strict about importing seeds. I was about to offer you some of mine. Here in zone 10a, they indeed do spread like weeds. The flowers turn into seeds with "fluff" like a Dandelion. They float all over the place, growing in the craziest places. The older plants (3-5 year olds) look ugly so I need to remove some. They grow very well, too well, in my hard clay ground. LisaAn older(3-5years) Valerian looking ratty and all sprawled out. I'm soaking it for easier removal. Plenty more where that one came from:)

The key to controlling Jup's Beard is to cut it back just before it goes to seed and starts looking ratty. Then it quickly reblooms and looks good. I keep mine that way all summer. I regard all flowers in my garden as needing certain upkeep, such as deadheading and cutting back--that's part of growing plants. I cut back the spent stems of penstemon and my favorites flower again until frost. Verbena needs deadheading or it turns ratty, and of course, snapdragons need to have their spent stems snapped off. I find this kind of easy work relaxing and a nice change from digging holes in lousy soil, transplanting cumbersome shrubs and roses, etc. I actually like all forms of deadheading--things immediately look better and usually rebloom. Exception here is Shasta Daisy. It doesn't rebloom and never ceases to annoy me. Diane

My dwarf butterfly bushes and salvias also need deadheading. The flowers, bees and butterflies are worth it. Since my property is small, it isn't too hard to handle. I enjoy it too.

Thank you for the photos, Lisa. Good idea about the weeding services Fragrancenutter.

I am considering moving to Diane's neighbourhood just to grow those wonderful roses...lol.

This is my JC's second year and it is probable a 1/4 of Diane's. It is hard for me to even imagine JC that big.

As much as I love Colette, I don't think it will thrive in a colder zone. I know it definitely wouldn't climb like that up here.

jjpeace, your roses probably look better than mine right now. My major bloom season is over (it started the first week in May), wiped out by two heat waves, plus it's extremely dry here (10 per cent humidity today). Now the perennials and hibiscus have taken over, though the roses will continue to bloom. I also grow a lot of double hollyhocks and they started up last week. In your zone 5 US, you are probably just hitting your stride as far as roses are concerned--or maybe a couple of weeks ago. I want to come up to your place!

Lisa, your valerian doesn't look like mine, which blooms on stalks and doesn't have heads of blooms. It never sprawls and has leaves on the stems--very different. I'm mystified. I can see the resemblance, but there are differences. Hmmm. I'll see if I can find a decent photo of mine.

Jupiter's Beard--maybe it's similar; this plant is twelve years old, though.

Early before it's opened

Spectacular, Diane.

Diane, your right they look different. I like yours much better than mine. Does it do the " Fluff in the wind" style seeding? Lisa