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First Attempt Grafting - 1 for 3

10 years ago

Hi all,

I tried 3 flat graft's on 3/23, and only one succeeded. Considering I was ill prepared; I'm very happy! This was the one that is bigger in diameter than the host branch. I just removed the plastic today.

Rob

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  • 10 years ago

    Very nice. Nice clean Union too.

    Rick

    halocline thanked rcharles_gw (Canada)
  • 10 years ago

    Amazing how the conjoining material just appears.

    The graft is from a "Black Ruby x self", but I haven't seen it flower.

    Rob

  • 10 years ago

    Rob, why do you think the other two failed?

  • 10 years ago

    Dain - The rubber band's were too tight. OR, I removed the sap before placing the graft onto the host branch. This is the method I used: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWQp89D3glM

    I found that it is very important to use round rubber bands, not flat ones.

    Rob

  • 10 years ago

    High tech grafting

  • 10 years ago

    Stuart - That's nothing! This is the technique I would like to master. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MKajfgLnCU

    I just got some cheap grafting tape in the mail yesterday to practice with.

    Rob

  • 10 years ago

    Every night i am watching the video's. The good thing is you dont have to master the language.

  • 10 years ago

    Very nice! Yes, I love the videos. He does such a good job of showing exactly how to do it, so you can actually mute it and still learn the technique.

  • 10 years ago

    YouTube has installed a translate feature, but it can only be activated/set during the upload process. (They even increased the # of languages.) So it's totally reliant on the person uploading the video. However, I have been using translator sites/apps to learn key words; such as: Graft = Injerto in Spanish. รับสินบน = Graft in Thai. (From Microsoft Translator.)

    Rob

  • halocline thanked Stuart( Paramaribo, Suriname) Hofwijks
  • 10 years ago

    10 days later.



    The donor-


    Both posing together-


    Rob

  • 10 years ago
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    Rob nice grafting.

    Stuart I want to do both versions. Especially the triple graft. I have not seen a vid. just a pic I think they still V both sides of the scion but it is hard to tell. I did not realize you could place the scions on both sides of the center.

    Now if my plants would start there Spring growth.

    halocline thanked Marica 7 high Sierra's Ca 4,000ft
  • 10 years ago

    I tried another flat graft a few days ago. It was at the top of the middle branch, so it was pretty thin & bendable. I could have definitely used an extra set of hands. It was at a slight angle, so it was hard to get the scion to stay while I was grabbing the tape. (I even wrapped some tape around a chopstick; like the guy in the video.) Then trying to stretch the tape down over it, the branch just wouldn't stay straight. After 5 tries I said screw it and gave up, then it occurred to me (Duh!), that I could just do a wedge graft. :-)

    I learned more this time around. This first time; I bought some really cheap 1" grafting tape, which performed surprisingly well. However, I would recommend buying at least 2" tape (sold out when I looked), maybe wider. Like in that video (and a lot more I've watched), it would be much easier to flat graft onto a nice wide, sturdy root stock caudex; rather than a longer angled branch.

    This is a bit rudimentary now, but it's what I came up with to practice on.

    Obviously I need to shorten the bottom part of the dowel. LOL. It's a good tool to hone your skills with though.

    Rob

  • 10 years ago
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    Update - Third graft. This is actually a pruned part of the same plant, I just couldn't bear throwing it away.


    Had to do some creative wrapping w/ new growth emerging so close to the grafting area.

    Rob

  • 10 years ago

    Thanks for the update. Should balance out rather nice

  • 10 years ago

    Nice thread! The bud grafting video is nice. Did you know that you can make your own parafim sterile grafting tape rolls by slicing a roll of cooking plastic wrap? Never need order it again, cut it to any width /you/ want. Slip it over a dowel so it won't be crushed and cut with a razor. Just be sure the roll you get is a weight/thickness of wrap you'll be happy with when you choose it. Obviously the self cling sort is ideal.

  • 10 years ago

    Hyn - I tried that; and it worked ok, but Grafting Tape has a light coating of wax; and also allows for gas exchange while keeping moisture in.

    Rob

  • 9 years ago

    Ok, well I believe this is my fourth attempt at grafting, and my second "Flat Graft".

    At the onset; I was just going to prune a tightly noded obesum I have, but at the last minute I decided- "Why not try a graft? I have plenty of material." So off I went to gather my supplies (which were located all over my house).

    So here she is.

    I flat grafted a "Fuchsia Flame (A), onto a noid (Roger) obesum.



    My original intention was to branch out the obesum, so I hope that still happens w/ the graft.

    Rob

  • 9 years ago

    Well; it's been 15 days, time for the unveiling.

    I removed the bag, and can see a tightly packed leaf beneath the grafting tape; trying to unfurl.

    Removed the grafting tape.


    Not quite completely fused.


    I think I'll put the bag back on for another week or so.

    Otherwise, I think it look's pretty good.

    Rob

  • 9 years ago

    I took the bag off again today, and now you can see the leaves unravelling.


    Rob

  • 9 years ago

    Day 22; and I think I'm good to go.



    Obesum root stock, with Fuchsia Flame (A) graft.

    Til' next time,

    Rob

  • 9 years ago

    Have you tried grafting a trunk onto another, Rob? and I can't call you Rob without thinking of the Red Wedding.

    I have a very tall white that just annoys me. I might cut it down and stick the pieces onto some seedlings. wouldn't it be cool (though probably unsightly) if it develops a fat base on top of another plant!

  • 9 years ago

    My 1st graft at the top of this thread was slightly larger than the branch it went on. You don't necessarily have to do a Flat Graft, you could do a Bud Graft - http://www.siamadenium.com/articles/Bud_Grafting_HS.html#.VxOV6xnQ_qA

    Which may be more practical. That's what I'm going to do w/ my tall lanky Adeniums. Although, like I said above; this is the method I'm going to perfect. OH NO!! I just went to copy the link for that video, and it said "Sorry, this video is no longer available." :-(

    This is another good way to do Flat Grafts - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWQp89D3glM

    That's the method I used on my first graft, it work's very well; just make sure the rubber band isn't too tight.

    Rob

  • 9 years ago

    I already have my method down. I just haven't used a trunk before. The tree I'm cutting down has unusable branches that I suspect grew out of keiki paste. They're too numerous, thin and weak.

  • 9 years ago

    Pagan - So you want to cut everything off to just above the caudex?

    I'm not sure what you mean by grafting a "Trunk" onto another trunk.

    Perhaps a photo would help.

    Rob

  • 9 years ago

    I typically graft branch cuttings onto branches, Rob. And once, a branch cutting onto a beheaded yearling. I've often pruned entire canopies off of adeniums whose overall look I don't like. They normally branch better.

    So I'm planning to decapitate this one above. The branches are too thin to be useful but I can use the trunk parts for grafting. I just haven't tried that before. Well, nothing ventured, nothing gained. So I'm going to do it.

  • 9 years ago

    Oh yes, you can do that. Just make sure you keep track of which end is up, don't graft the trunk section on up side down.

    Rob

  • 9 years ago

    You mean, like this? lol

    For adeniums, there's an easy way to tell, if I was paying attention the first time I did this. Make sure the branch cutting is smiling (left), not frowning (right).

  • 9 years ago

    Oh my gosh! I cant believe that took. lol

    Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. The same smiling tip also applies to Plumeria.

    Rob

  • 9 years ago

    That grafted piece was frowning so hard it killed the whole plant.

    No, seriously, spring killed that plant---my biggest loss last spring, it had a five-inch caudex. That graft took, though!.

  • 9 years ago

    Update -



    Rob

  • 9 years ago
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    My what BIG leaves you have. Haha, good job. Two small branches were broken on my new grafted plants that arrived today, so I cut them off. Soaked them in water a couple of hours, sterilized them with alcohol and then sliced them up to graft onto seedlings. Hopefully they'll take. I've never tried grafting adenium before but hopefully some of these will make it. Nice thread. Pagan, you made me laugh. ;)

    halocline thanked Hyn Patty, Western NC Mountains (USA)
  • 9 years ago

    I laughed so hard on this thread...my coworkers think I am crazy.

    Marie

  • 9 years ago

    The best threads make us laugh, smile or teach us something new. ;)

  • 9 years ago

    Hi all,

    Another flat graft with one more on the way. This is a "Roger obesum" paired w/ a scion from this plant.

    Graft.










    Rob



  • 9 years ago
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    Looking good! Pretty clean union, too.

    halocline thanked Hyn Patty, Western NC Mountains (USA)
  • 9 years ago

    Hi Rob, nice grafting there. Many of mine failed. You make grafting look so easy :)

    halocline thanked tan808
  • 9 years ago

    Update January 26 post.

    Here's an update on one of my Roger obesums that I grafted.

    (2-17-2017)


    (3-14-2017)

    (Today)

    (Today)

    Rob

  • 9 years ago

    Sweet! About to flower! Nice job.

    halocline thanked Hyn Patty, Western NC Mountains (USA)
  • 9 years ago

    What a great thread! I learned a lot in this one. Worth bookmarking.

    Rob, last year you said it was important to use round rubberbands rather than flat ones. Why? Can't figure that one out.

    Thanks!

    Carol

  • 9 years ago
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    Most videos actually show using flat sided rubber bands. I think the rounded ones are too apt to shift and roll off, especially if you are binding a taper.

  • 9 years ago

    I recommended using round rubber bands when using this technique to graft. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWQp89D3glM (You can skip about the first half of the video.)

    Round ones roll off the tube soooo much easier.

    Rob

  • 9 years ago

    Thanks, Rob. Another good video for 2.0 speed. :)

    Carol

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