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A Horribly Laid Out Kitchen & I Feel Vindicated!

10 years ago
last modified: 10 years ago

We moved from our wonderful condo with a really good kitchen/laundry/pantry/utility closet on Friday.

(My Condo)

We are renting a condo in the same building until our house is built next year. We decided to move now because they are building seven new condo buildings in our downtown location and we felt that would impact what we could get for the condo if we waited until next year.

This rental had been on the market for more money than we were asking. Ours was a 3 br, 2 bath condo with 1901 sq. feet and this one is a 2100 sq. foot condo with 3 br, 3 baths. However, overall this condo has more wasted space than ours, although the views are definitely better.

But the kicker is the kitchen. My DH complained when we renovated our condo because I spent so much time "obsessing" (his word) over every detail in the condo and especially the kitchen. And until this week when we moved in here, he was complaining because I spent so much time "obsessing" over our house details.

NO MORE! My DH who can live with stuff all over the counters, and thought he didn't care about how a kitchen is arranged has finally seen the light with this kitchen in the rental. It is so poorly laid out (as is the rest of the condo) that he has finally stopped telling me I obsess. He now understands why I am planning every last detail.

Here is the worst kitchen/laundry/pantry/utility closet. (Please excuse the mess as we just moved in 2 days ago.)

This is the entry into the kitchen. Doesn't look too bad? Well originally she had two doors that swung into the kitchen so every time you entered you bumped into the door knobs. It made the entry about 24" wide. We took the doors off and stored them. You can see the mark on the lower right where we removed one of the door hinges. The bruise on DH's hip is still healing.

But even worse, notice the two counter stools? There are supposed to be three there, but it's so tight I moved one out of the way. How tight is it? From the counter to the edge of the wall is only 25" wide. With the stool, it was impossible to walk to the right.

This pic doesn't look too bad, until you realize that the garage is next to the angled fridge, and the cabinets are so narrow there really is no room above for storing things. (DH is complaining there is nowhere to store his coffee supplies near the coffee pot. Maybe now he understands why I'm building in a 30" wide coffee station in the new house?) The drawer stack you see next to the sink is only 11" wide.

Oh and our appliances in my condo were all 6 years old and Bosch/KA/Samsung. These kitchen appliances are at least 15 years old and all Fridgidaire. Nothing wrong with Fridgidaire (My new kitchen will have a Fridgidaire oven), but it's another reason ours sold, and hers didn't.

Here you can see the angled fridge better and to the left is an angled cabinet where we are storing the dog's treats. Where the wine fridge is, is where you enter the kitchen. She has two breakfast bars. The counter height one in the kitchen and the bar height one in the living space.

Next to the wine bar in the drawer is the only place I can store my silverware. (DH is complaining that the silverware is not convenient to where we use it most.) And the drawers next to the fridge store my baking large bowls. Above the fridge are my baking sheets, etc. However, they're stored flat.

Our pull out trash is not one easy motion where you open the door, but a two step operation. (DH noted that it was wasted movements. LOL) Also note DH's coffee pod holder which we had no room for in the cabinets.

And this is my favorite! A double sink in the corner right next to the stove (with the MW on top) looking at...cabinets! (At least I can open the DW while standing at the sink. I'm still trying to figure out why she made the cabinets to the left of the sink higher than the ones over the sink? (DH already commented how you can't even wash anything in the sink, especially the dog.)

And here is my storage drawers! Pots and pans in the drawers and the cabinet next to stove. Glass pyrex etc in the cabinet to the right. Cuisinart and Blender there too. Top drawer from left to right: cooking utensils, baking utensils, knives, etc. Dishes above right and cooking oils, spices etc on either side of stove with bowls, etc above. Cabinet above Mw is useless as it has the vent.

And here's the W/D! There is a blind corner cabinet underneath the counter that could have been used to store the stuff for the W/D except as you'll see in the next photo, we had to store the drawers from the double pantry in there so we'd have a utility closet. No where else in the condo to store them. So now the laundry stuff is on the top shelf in the pantry. (To the right is a door out to the hallway. It used to be the "service" entry.)

And finally the pantry/utility closet. Why the utility closet? Because there was not another place in the whole condo for one. Nor did she have a linen closet! So we pulled the drawers out of the left pantry, stored them as mentioned and made that our utility closet. As for the pantry? Mine was narrower at only 21" wide and mine was only 58" high but it still worked better. Go figure.

Here's hoping my house build goes quickly. :) In the meantime while I continue to obsess, I'm really not complaining as the place was kept very clean, our landlord is a wonderful woman and we have some really spectacular views out to the bay. Much better views than our condo. And I warned DH not to expect any meals cooked in this kitchen, but I'd make it up to him when we move into our new place. ;)

And now maybe DH will finally understand when I talk about laying out the kitchen and the rest of the house so it works the best for our needs.

Comments (23)

  • 10 years ago

    I really cannot understand that sink in the back corner... At least it appears to be pretty to look at, if not functional.

    DH has not yet admitted that my kitchen obsession was worthwhile....but he did say that he really enjoys stepping into the kitchen....

    cpartist thanked practigal
  • 10 years ago

    I saw a similar sink setup in an otherwise really nice and high end remodel in my neighborhood. Here was a huge kitchen that didn't even have a sink big enough to soak a casserole dish!

    cpartist thanked alerievay1
  • 10 years ago

    I like her colors; the layout, tho, is a real shame. I'd be frustrated if I had to use that sink.

    cpartist thanked MizLizzie
  • 10 years ago

    It's too bad that the outlet on the end of the peninsula isn't a 220v. I'd be tempted to clear everything out of the end cabinet in the peninsula, and push the range over there. A cheap cabinet from the Re-store, and a nice piece of plywood across the spot vacated by the range would be an improvement in prep area, IMO.

    Just click your heels together, and keep repeating to yourself, "There's no place like a GW kitchen. There's no place like ... " ;)

    cpartist thanked mama goose_gw zn6OH
  • 10 years ago

    Yeah clearly a struggle to figure out how to use 3 blind corners effectively.

    cpartist thanked User
  • 10 years ago

    Well, now that we've lived in our house for over a year he's very glad I spent so much time with that graph paper :-) I recently was given a tour of a neighbor's home that is very very similar in footprint and age as ours (they did a gut renovation about ten years ago.) It is so inefficient compared to ours; her kitchen is larger by square footage, but she only has about 7 linear feet of countertop. When I told my husband about the tour, I felt SO incredibly proud of myself!

    As you should Benje. Each time he goes into the kitchen or one of the closets, he's complaining. LOL. He only complained about having to share the guest bedroom with his office in our condo. Never about how things were laid out. He just assumed everyone had well laid out spaces.

    I really cannot understand that sink in the back corner... At least it appears to be pretty to look at, if not functional.

    Nah, not even pretty.

    DH has not yet admitted that my kitchen obsession was worthwhile....but he did say that he really enjoys stepping into the kitchen....

    Consider that progress. I got nothing before we moved to this place.

    I saw a similar sink setup in an otherwise really nice and high end remodel in my neighborhood. Here was a huge kitchen that didn't even have a sink big enough to soak a casserole dish!

    I don't get it! I'm not much of a cook. I cook at home 2x a week but even I know a good sized sink is a treasure. And being that I am not a fan of cooking you can be sure that I want it as easy and workable as possible when I do cook. If I have to take extra steps it's going to mean I'm less likely than even now to want to cook.

    I like her colors; the layout, tho, is a real shame. I'd be frustrated if I had to use that sink.

    I like the colors too. The whole layout is frustrating. I can't prep to the left of the sink because of all the stuff we need to keep there, and I can't prep to the right of sink because the stove is there. That leaves me prepping on the peninsula. Ugh.

    If I move DH's toaster and coffee maker over to the left of the fridge, then he'll complain about having to go back and forth to get anything.

    It's too bad that the outlet on the end of the peninsula isn't a 220v. I'd be tempted to clear everything out of the end cabinet in the peninsula, and push the range over there.

    I'm tempted to rip the whole kitchen out. LOL but it's not mine so I can't do anything.

    Just click your heels together, and keep repeating to yourself, "There's no place like a GW kitchen. There's no place like ... " ;)

    BRB. Gotta go find my ruby red slippers. Hope they're well padded too because this is a tile floor that already is causing me knee pain.

    Yeah clearly a struggle to figure out how to use 3 blind corners effectively.

    Worse than 3 blind mice!

  • 10 years ago

    The cabinets next to the angled fridge look non-completely-accessible. Get that permit and build fast!

    cpartist thanked bpath
  • 10 years ago

    Wow! Well, soon you'll be out of there and you can be her kitchen designer/consultant when she needs to remodel in order to sell. LOL

    cpartist thanked mgmum
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    10 years ago

    I hate to say it but I've never had that nice a kitchen anyplace I've bought or rented. The sink would bother me but believe me, I've had far worse.

    I'm NOT saying one should not obsess over ones own kitchen - lord knows I have spent months doing just that - but it's fresh, clean and attractive, something I was never able to say about the kitchens I "inherited".

    cpartist thanked Anglophilia
  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    That layout is not dissimilar to the one in the condo we rented last year. Two things that bugged me the most were the barrier pennisulas and the six steps between all counters and appliances. I completely stopped cooking the whole time we were there. I thought I had just lost interest in cooking, but as soon as we were back home in a well planned kitchen, I got right back in the habit.


    cpartist thanked daisychain Zn3b
  • 10 years ago

    Whoa, some of those choices are head scratchers. Are you sure you didn't just want your design to look even more wonderful just by comparison? I kid, but that must be a very challenging kitchen to use. Wishing you a speedy build. Although, like Suzanne, I have suffered through much worse in rentals and a trailer we lived in for too many years.

    cpartist thanked gyr_falcon
  • 10 years ago

    The sink is a study in optimization: one side is the prep sink. The other is for cleanup.

    Love the flooring!

    cpartist thanked bpath
  • 10 years ago

    The cabinets next to the angled fridge look non-completely-accessible. Get that permit and build fast!

    Believe me, I'm trying to push on this.

    Wow! Well, soon you'll be out of there and you can be her kitchen designer/consultant when she needs to remodel in order to sell. LOL

    No thanks. She thought the kitchen was fine as it was. This is a 3 bedroom but she took the closet out of the third bedroom. I had suggested she put it back because it would help sell it quicker so she can call it a true 3 br, but she refused and a closet is a lot cheaper.

    I hate to say it but I've never had that nice a kitchen anyplace I've bought or rented. The sink would bother me but believe me, I've had far worse.

    It looks nice, but it isn't. I've lived in some pretty dismal looking kitchens over the years, but they functioned a heck of a lot better than this one does. Instead of moving fluidly from fridge to sink to counter, I'm finding I'm criss crossing the kitchen to get silverware from one side, and bowls from the other. And it's not as if I can put things where they make the most sense because the cabinets are too narrow to put bowls where they need to be, etc.

    I'm NOT saying one should not obsess over ones own kitchen - lord knows I have spent months doing just that - but it's fresh, clean and attractive, something I was never able to say about the kitchens I "inherited".

    I realize that this kitchen looks fresh, clean and attractive, but my point is that looks are not everything. This kitchen really does not function.

    That layout is not dissimilar to the one in the condo we rented last year. Two things that bugged me the most were the barrier pennisulas and the six steps between all counters and appliances. I completely stopped cooking the whole time we were there. I thought I had just lost interest in cooking, but as soon as we were back home in a well planned kitchen, I got right back in the habit.

    While I've never loved cooking, I do get on baking kicks and look forward to prepping for grilling. And yes I can understand how a poorly laid out kitchen can be the difference between wanting to cook, and not cooking.

    Whoa, some of those choices are head scratchers.

    They are!

    Are you sure you didn't just want your design to look even more wonderful just by comparison?

    That's it! ;)

    The sink is a study in optimization: one side is the prep sink. The other is for cleanup.

    LOL. There you go!

    Love the flooring!

    They are beautiful, but my knees are already feeling them

  • 10 years ago

    How I knew that I could never have tile in a kitchen is that when we were renovating our house we moved into one that had tile in the kitchen. Within a month my legs were killing me. I bought mats and gel-soled shoes which solved the problem.

    Maybe this could be a solution for those spouses/partners who don't get the obsession with graph paper and research and GW, live in a poor planned kitchen. Although in our case that was our reality.

    cpartist thanked blfenton
  • 10 years ago

    Isn't it nice to feel vindicated? ;) There's a reason why you happened to move into this kitchen - to help get your DH into the right frame of mind to agree to everything you want for the new house!

    I looked at the thread for your old condo. It is gorgeous! It must have been hard to say goodbye to it.

    cpartist thanked Pink Poppy
  • 10 years ago

    Well, it's still much more functional than my current kitchen... although that sink arrangement takes the cake -- definitely a prize winner in a "worst" competition.

    cpartist thanked artemis_ma
  • 10 years ago

    Maybe you should post the layout and let the GW gurus come up with a plan. Leave it with her when you go in the spirit of helping her sell!

    cpartist thanked Annette Holbrook(z7a)
  • 10 years ago
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    Maybe this could be a solution for those spouses/partners who don't get the obsession with graph paper and research and GW, live in a poor planned kitchen. Although in our case that was our reality.

    My DH never complains about living in a dysfunctional kitchen and trust me our kitchen in NY is not the most functional either (but a heck of a lot better than this one), but he hasn't stopped complaining since we moved in on Friday. LOL.

    Isn't it nice to feel vindicated? ;)

    It sure is! ;)

    There's a reason why you happened to move into this kitchen - to help get your DH into the right frame of mind to agree to everything you want for the new house!

    Hmm, good thinking!

    I looked at the thread for your old condo. It is gorgeous! It must have been hard to say goodbye to it.

    Thank you. Not really because once I had removed my beautiful light fixtures and replaced them with the Blue Box specials, it didn't quite feel like home anymore. Plus I am already anticipating our new house. And while I love a house that functions well and miss it for that reason, my home is where ever those I love are.

    Well, it's still much more functional than my current kitchen... although that sink arrangement takes the cake -- definitely a prize winner in a "worst" competition.

    Yes I remember your kitchen and how dysfunctional it is. Your new kitchen will be such a pleasure. This sink is wonderful, if you like feeling like a bad child being sent to the corner for time out. LOL.

    Maybe you should post the layout and let the GW gurus come up with a plan. Leave it with her when you go in the spirit of helping her sell!

    Oh she'll sell if she drops the price enough. Like I said, the kitchen is only part of the problem.

    The closets are so poorly arranged that you can't put things into the closet because she has part of the shelving blocked by the closet doors.

    She has no true third bedroom because she took out the closet and then added glass doors opening into the living room. That made it more difficult to put furniture anywhere but in one corner of the living room, so now the couches are jammed into the corner, with a HUGE open space in the middle of the room between the living room and the front door. Wasted space.

    The problem is she wants to put the place back on the market in January which is fine. We are happy to help her sell it and we have the place until the end of April next year. Plus, I made sure to hang my paintings, and make the place look nice so when she does put it back on, it shows as well as it can.

    But, because she doesn't have a closet in what is now my office, half my supplies are in one of the bedroom closets. DH's closet is also the linen closet because she has no linen closet and as mentioned I had to take the drawers out of 1/2 the pantry so I could have a place to store mops, etc. This is a problem because it's going to make people pause and wonder where they will put their things.

  • 10 years ago

    Amazing that your old condo was smaller ... from the photos this unit looks so much smaller and the kitchen bordering on claustrophobic.

    cpartist thanked chispa
  • 10 years ago

    Haha, I love it. Of course, not that you have to spend the next year or so with this horrible layout, but that now your hubby gets all the "obsessing" and appreciates you.

    Just wait until he experiences the difference between this rental and your new house, which improves even more to your condo. :-)

    cpartist thanked rebunky
  • 10 years ago

    Well, I bet you that in my area, most people wouldn't care one way or another how a kitchen functions as long as it looks good.

    Most people just show off their chef ranges.

    cpartist thanked nosoccermom
  • 10 years ago

    Amazing that your old condo was smaller ... from the photos this unit looks so much smaller and the kitchen bordering on claustrophobic.

    The difference is in my old condo, the kitchen was just for cooking. No place to put a small table and chairs and no place for a W/D. This kitchen is trying to do too much in what is essentially an even smaller space.

    Haha, I love it. Of course, not that you have to spend the next year or so with this horrible layout, but that now your hubby gets all the "obsessing" and appreciates you.

    He does. He was telling someone at dinner last night how great our old condo was compared to where we are now. He then said, "and my wife designed the whole thing!"

    Just wait until he experiences the difference between this rental and your new house, which improves even more to your condo. :-)

    Exactly. In the condo he complained that every time he had to use the keurig he had to pull it out from under the garage because it was too high to lift the lid from under the cabinet. With the new kitchen I've corrected that problem. I also corrected the problem him not being able to store his coffee cups above his keurig.

    Well, I bet you that in my area, most people wouldn't care one way or another how a kitchen functions as long as it looks good.

    Most people just show off their chef ranges

    LOL. I've lived in places where the people were like that. And while it would be nice for me to have some fancy chef range, I don't cook enough to make it worthwhile myself. Hence the Fridgidaire or Bosch 500 oven. Both good quality and "good enough" for the amount of times I'll ever use it.