Herbflavor. I think I might not have been clear. We are not bumping out the side of the house but adding 11 feet to the back of the house.

I initially had your concerns about wasting that space. Our floor plan is not large and I want all of it to be functional. At first I planned to keep the kitchen there and just extend it. An elongated galley that would possibly open up to the living space. But we were still very short on storage downstairs. It was hard to work in space for tall storage of brooms and vacuums and things like printers, shoes, book bags etc. our entry is currently very tight it would be nice to have a more open space to stop and take off shoes and store things before entering the main livin space. But I agree that maybe it doesn't need to be so large

i believe by code we need to keep a second exit (and for some reason I don't think the slider counts, though I should verify that). I don't see a great place to put another door without invading the kitchen space.

Thanks for for your comments. If we could eliminated the side door I could see more options.

This does nothing to solve flow or clearance issues but I was experimenting with other pantry layout options if we close off the side door. Except for the wall oven change, the rest of the kitchen layout measurements are the same

Any thoughts?

why don't you use the area and add laundry/more of a mudroom and include some storage for some kitchen storage. I would probably keep the side door...just get more from that side entry zone. Where is the current laundry?

The current laundry is in the basement. We have plans to remodel that space as well to make a nicer laundry room and a play or bonus space down there in the future (we need to add a few egress windows to make the space more comfortable). Not sure that will get to be part of this renovation.

i would love a laundry on the bedroom level but not sure I would skimp on the size (ideally we'd want 2 washers and a counter) to put it on the main level.

i had envisioned that space as something of a mud room but with closed storage instead of open. I thought about putting a bench on the stairway wall. Or a ledge or something that would make it a good key/mail landing zone. I'd like a 18-24" closet for each kid and maybe one 24" for my husband and I to share. As well as room for guest coats, broom/vacuum storage, an area for the printer/modem, a space for important paper storage and misc non kitchen supplies. There's actually a lot I want that space to do. My plans may be too ambitious actually.

Now, we have zero storage aside from a packed coat closet on the first floor. I'm always tripping over bags and shoes. It's one of the issues I want to remedy with the renovation.

I'm having a difficult time reading your plans, so I used a different
graph (1sq=12"). I gave you a framed pantry and wall ovens, but the
pantry could extend into the oven space. I'm a fan of shallow stud bay
storage, too, and you could have that on the wall against the stairs--or
it could be shallow shelves for canned goods.

I put a large
window overlooking the back yard, but you could also have windows on
each side of the range hood. The MW drawer is convenient to the fridge,
and clean-up is close enough to share the trash pull-out. There is space
on the pantry end of the island, for a drop zone for incoming
groceries.The fridge could be located beside the pantry, with the
ovens beside it, but I put it in a place which is convenient for anyone
in the living areas, and also convenient to the back yard, which m/l
centers the range and hood for a focal point. Click to enlarge:

Thanks mama goose. You've given me some things to think about. I like the fridge placement. I am concerned about the depth of the island though. At 42" deep, I'm worried there won't be enough clearance behind the island to have a couch/tv at a comfortable distance. I was trying to leave enough space to walk behind the couch to get to the slider/fridge and just generally to have the couch not too close to the TV.

The interior width of the house is 23'. So between back wall of cabinets, island, and aisles (26+48+42+48) I would be looking at the back of the couch being a little over 9 feet to a wall mounted TV. i don't mind a cozy living space but that seems like it might be too tight? We currently sit about 13-15 feet away from the TV (which is 55") and some seating is even farther away.

Getting a functional kitchen with a comfortable family area was my biggest struggle when making up this current plan.

I'm sorry for the poor quality of the photos/sketches. I'm working from my phone right now as I await delivery of a new laptop It's pretty frustrating. The grip I used is 6" per tiny box, if that helps. Once I get the computer I want to try some digital floor plans.

I welcome any feedback. Thanks so much for your plan. I already feel better about the kitchen layout at least

You are welcome. Another option, which completely separates prep/cooking from clean-up, with no zone crossing. The only landing for the fridge in this plan is on the island, but it is near pantry for easy stowing of groceries, and gathering of ingredients:

There is a nice prep space between the sink and range in each of the plans, so if the island is more shallow, with seating but no sink, the plans still work, and the MW can be part of the oven stack, since you will have a range. In the second plan, the DW and sink can move toward the corner, leaving more space in the living area, or the cabinet on the end could be omitted. ETA, shallower island, and shorter sink wall:

Thanks for this. I'm going to think about it all with a somewhat fresher mind in the morning.

A question about the reach in pantry-- for a 9' long pantry, how is that typically closed off? 2 30" doors with 24" deep sides? I'm having some trouble thinking about what that would look like. Thanks again. I really appreciate the input.

Mama gave you some very good ideas. If you decide against the sink on the island, I'd keep the fridge next to the sink.

I agree cpartist. I think the flow works better that way. I'm not sure why I previously decided against that.

I was imagining bi-fold doors. The framed walls will use ap 10" of the 9' (as I've drawn it), so you'll have just over 8' of pantry, and ap 6' of opening, if you use 12" deep shelves on the sides, so four 18" doors? I edited my last plan to reflect that option.