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New Lawn Help

10 years ago

I need help with my six week old lawn.

I sprouted this Bermuda grass with Scotts EZ Seed and it was doing great. I mowed it week four (2 weeks ago) and cut back the watering to once a day for 5 minutes and it started dying. Below are more pertinent points:

* the spot in the middle that's still alive is the low point. However it is not (I don't think) getting under watered

* watering twice a day for 5 minutes (increased it to this after it started dying once I decreased it).

* it is dying from the outside in toward the center.

* the 5 year old established Bermuda grass in my side yard started getting watered twice a day like this patch and it's never looked better.

* water is definitely getting past the roots depth wise.

im in Phoenix az

any ideas?



Comments (8)

  • 10 years ago

    Hmm well you do have a ton of thatch on you're grounds. also it is a little early to be seeding http://tinyurl.com/7m7ppoc

  • 10 years ago

    And out here in Arizona it's pretty dang hard to over water bermuda I would be doing 15 20 in the morning just so you don't have to water in the mid sun now that you're lawn is established. What times are you watering?

  • 10 years ago

    It sprouted but did not establish. Look into what was added to the seed to feed it, and give it some more. It should be on the bag.

  • 10 years ago

    It's not doing too bad, Bermuda seed is definitely a tough task, we always recommend sod Bermuda if possible. Besides, that ez seed is usually transcontinental or some other mid grade cultivar. I just redid my whole front lawn with celebration sod at the end of May & virtually no follow up care. I've tried seeded Bermuda in the past. Never again.

  • 10 years ago

    Bermuda seed is definitely a tough task, we always recommend sod Bermuda if possible

    100% agree.

    It will take 2-3 growing seasons to fill. You just have to be patient.


    Your seeding timing was fine, ignore that issue.


    How much water in inches are you providing? 5 minutes means very little, you need to establish how much output in inches you are providing. Then you will know if you are under/over watering.


    Shade - this may be a bigger issue than you realize. If anything is shading your lawn (tree, house, fence, etc) it won't do well. If the outer edges are being shaded by anything, that may be the issue. Also if your seed was a mix that may explain the initial good results and subsequent die off.


    Mowing - you have to mow low in order to promote lateral growth. otherwise the grass spends energy growing up instead of out, I recommend 5/8." You can go higher later when you have more coverage.


    You have more than enough bermuda to cover your yard given enough time. You want to kick start growth? If you have the time and ability to mow low (1/4 - 7/16 inches) 3 - 4 times per week for a month or so then you can feed the hell out of you lawn.


    This is my current routine per 1 k(every 2 wks):

    Milorganite x 1/2 bag

    Vigoro (35-0-5) @ 2.8 lbs

    Corn/alfalfa 10 - 15 lbs

    SBM 10 lbs


    I just cut to 1/4", feed, and sanded yesterday. Will update my progress this weekend.

  • 10 years ago

    I don't see any thatch and your timing was perfect, so this should be working. Normally we would suggest watering 3x per day just enough to keep the seed moist until you get 80% germination. Then you could start cutting back on the frequency and going up on the time. If you had a mature stand of bermuda in Phoenix right now you would be watering 2x per week a full inch each time. I know that because I have a friend in Gilbert with St Augustine doing it. But with new roots I would be watering every other day about 1/2 inch until the summer heat breaks (in about November ;-) . Here's my standard blurb on watering.

    Watering: Deep and infrequent is the mantra for watering. This is for all turf grass all over the place. Deep means 1 inch all at one time. Put some cat food or tuna cans around the yard, and time how long it takes your sprinkler(s) to fill all the cans. Memorize that time. That will be the time you water from now on. My hose, sprinkler and water pressure takes 8 full hours to fill the cans. Your time will likely be less. I like gentle watering. As for watering frequency, that depends on the daytime air temperature. With temps in the 90s, deep water once per week. With temps in the 80s, deep water once every 2 weeks. With temps in the 70s, deep water once every 3 weeks. With temps below 70, deep water once a month. Note that you have to keep up with quickly changing temps in the spring and fall. This deep and infrequent schedule works in Phoenix and in Vermont, so it should work for you. The reason for deep and infrequent is to grow deeper, more drought resistant roots and to allow the soil to dry completely at the surface for several days before watering again. If it rains, reset your calendar to account for the rainfall.

    You will want to fill in that low spot. You should have done that before seeding.

    That grass between the pavers will be a pain in the butt for you. You can't mow it low enough and it will get weedy in there. You might want to put in a different ground cover.


  • 10 years ago

    Not sure how I got signed out and signed in under another name, but that previous post was mine.

  • 10 years ago

    Good to know, I was starting to be worry you might be suffering from split personality or something :-)