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Please Help Me Find a Rose

10 years ago
last modified: 10 years ago

Hi,

I've had it with Natchitoches Noisette, and am looking for a replacement. N.N. is next to Mrs. B.R. Cant, and there is about 7' of width, height is a non-issue, although I do not want a climber. I would prefer a tea rose, but something shrubby would do. Although Blush Noisette out performs everything in my garden during high temperatures, I wonder if some Noisettes prefer humidity? Because of this uncertainty, I have decided to eliminate Noisettes from the possibilities. In terms of color, it just needs to complement MBRC. Do you all have any suggestions for this space?


TIA

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  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I am going to offer suggestions others have made for me and that would be Madame Joseph Schwartz. I also think clotilde soupert is a beautiful rose although it's not a tea.

    i just realized I answered your thread on the rose forum too. I didn't realize you had posted on both forums and I thought maybe this one hadn't gone through when I pushed submit.

    Lynn-in-TX-Z8b- Austin Area/Hill Country thanked boncrow66
  • 10 years ago

    Quite a few Noisettes are survivors in parts of California that are not humid- Jeri might have some thoughts on that? Despite much humidity here, my NN goes summer dormant at high temperatures, (so do other roses of strong China persuasion), so I wonder if your NN is perhaps wanting coolth, not just humidity? But I don't know how yours is misbehaving...

    I like boncrow's suggestions... Also, if you like the 'Maman Cochet' look, I think she or 'White Maman Cochet' might look good next to MBRC. I also think MBRC is capable of 'fielding' a vividly colored rose like 'Rosette Delizy' without getting overshadowed, so to speak. 'Marie Van Houtte' or 'G. Nabonnand' might also work well?

    Have fun choosing!

    Virginia

    Lynn-in-TX-Z8b- Austin Area/Hill Country thanked User
  • 10 years ago

    My thought is that MJS would be too small for the space, as I believe she is taller than wide ( I hope so based upon where I have mine planted)? Also, redundancy is an issue. MJS is growing 2 roses away in this bed. In this row, there's SDLM CL x 2, Baronne Prevost, Blush Noisette, MBRC, Grande Dame towards the front in a deeper section, and Mademoiselle Franziska Kruger ( which is also too small.. especially for the end). Clotilde Soupert is a beauty. I grew this rose at my previous home.... obviously in an inappropriate space as I thought it remained in the 4-5' range...??? My thought is that it would be too small????

    There is actually 9' of space. I allowed 1' of space on both sides for "breathing room" between roses.

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I have been very disappointed in N.N., Virginia. It was purchased as a 2-gallon own root plant and has struggled to be more than sticks with sparse leaves here and there... ALL SEASON. That is simply unacceptable. Archduke Charles has been bullet proof and Blush Noisette has out performed everything in my garden.

    I LOVE images of G. Nabonnand, but have yet to see it in person. I just cannot get a handle on the actual color (s) and feared that this one would be too large???

    White Maman Cochet.... that is one to ponder. I am sooo impressed with Maman Cochet's performance in my garden. I keep seeing Cl. White Maman Cochet and have gotten the climbing part into my head.

    I have a strong aversion to most yellow roses, along with so many other little issues/specificities with that color. Relative to this color, I would not inflict me upon a person graciously assisting with a selection. Going avoid yellow.

  • 10 years ago

    I think G. Nabanond would be a good choice. I am having the same predicament and have a asked for advice for a new tea in my thread If you could choose just one and have gotten lots of suggestions. I think Anna Olivier would be a good choice also, it is gorgeous and Jackie posted pics on my thread. Also Jesse Hildreth is swoon worthy as well. Decisions decisions! Good luck choosing!

    Lynn-in-TX-Z8b- Austin Area/Hill Country thanked boncrow66
  • 10 years ago

    Anna Oliver is beautiful, Boncrow. I searched for her once, and if not mistaken, concluded that it was not widely available. I have a Jesse Hildreth that is performing well in an area that receives shade beginning in the afternoon, but I fear this location would be too hot for it.

    Rhodologue Jules Gravereaux is growing across the walkway. But Miss Atwood, Ingrid!! Oh my!!! She could be a winner. I was hoping for a rose with apricot tones to break up some of the pink and then more pink in that area.

  • 10 years ago

    Here's a picture of the whole bush of Miss Atwood when it still looked reasonable. The pink one further down is Le Vesuve.

    Lynn-in-TX-Z8b- Austin Area/Hill Country thanked ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
  • 10 years ago

    Oh, Oh..

    Miss Atwood, 11" x 15'. She is a big girl who can likely crowd MBRC out.. but, I believe there is enough room in the corner where Mademoiselle Franziska Kruger is... if I can keep her to about 9' in width???

  • 10 years ago

    We cross posted, Ingrid. Now, I am more drawn to Miss Atwood. Is your Miss Atwood mature, and if so, what size is she?

  • 10 years ago

    Those pix of 'Miss Atwood' are swoon-worthy. If not too big, she'd look swell next to MBRC...

    Virginia

    Lynn-in-TX-Z8b- Austin Area/Hill Country thanked User
  • 10 years ago

    I am starting to like the contrast of singles with the really super doubles. I voted Mutabilis in another thread and I'm voting for it here too. A great shrub and doesn't mind pruning to keep it in bounds. Blooms all the time. Healthy.

    Susan

    Lynn-in-TX-Z8b- Austin Area/Hill Country thanked Poorbutroserich Susan Nashville
  • 10 years ago

    Right now Miss Atwood is about 6 feet across and 5 feet tall but that's after I gave her a pruning because there was so much dead wood when it hardly rained last winter, and with the early heat of this spring this rose never recovered. Keeping her at 9 feet would not be a problem in my view. I got this rose from Vintage on March 29, 2010. You can trim tea roses lightly without serious consequences and it actually rejuvenates some of them. The color is never pink but it can fade in the heat. It's not very thorny, a nice attribute.

    Lynn-in-TX-Z8b- Austin Area/Hill Country thanked ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9