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Container Size for Irwin Dwarf Mango

10 years ago

Hie everyone i purchased a grafted dwarf Irwin mango tree and i was wondering if a 90L (23 Gal) container would suffice? I intend to keep it at 2m (6.5 foot) tall and wide.

The mango tree is only supposed to grow between 2-4m tall (in the ground). I bought it from Daleys Fruit Nursery Here:

http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/buy/dwarf-mango-irwin-tree.htm

and here is a promotional Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWc4DHJH5hM

Kind regards. Any advice or tips on container growing will be appreciated :)

EDIT: The container im using can be rigged to be self watering which will cost me 10L of capacity. Its normally a 100L container but with a reservoir its 90L. I use this technique with my fig and Plum tree with no issues though. but trees are different as you know :)

Comments (4)

  • 10 years ago

    I think that to answer your questions and qualify the answers in a way that allows you to extract anything valuable would take quite an effort, so I'll link you to some information I'm certain will increase the rewards you get for your efforts at growing woody material in containers.

    First, this is a copy/paste job of something I wrote about container size several years ago:

    How
    large a container ‘can’ or ‘should’ be, depends on the
    relationship between the mass of the plant material you are working
    with and your choice of soil. We often concern ourselves with
    "over-potting" (using a container that is too large), but
    "over-potting" is a term that arises from a lack of a basic
    understanding about the relationship we will look at, which logically
    determines appropriate container size.


    It's
    often parroted that you should only move up one container size when
    "potting-up". The reasoning is, that when potting up to a
    container more than one size larger, the soil will remain wet too
    long and cause root rot issues, but it is the size/mass of the plant
    material you are working with, and the physical properties of the
    soil you choose that determines both the upper & lower limits of
    appropriate container size - not a formulaic upward progression of
    container sizes. In many cases, after root pruning a plant, it may
    even be appropriate to step down a container size or two, but as you
    will see, that also depends on the physical properties of the soil
    you choose. It's not uncommon for me, after a repot/root-pruning to
    pot in containers as small as 1/5 the size as that which the plant
    had been growing in prior to the work.


    Plants
    grown in ‘slow’ (slow-draining/water-retentive) soils need to be
    grown in containers with smaller soil volumes so that the plant can
    use water quickly, allowing air to return to the soil before root
    issues beyond impaired root function/metabolism become a limiting
    factor. We know that the anaerobic (airless) conditions that
    accompany soggy soils quickly kill fine roots and impair root
    function/metabolism. We also know smaller soil volumes and the root
    constriction that accompany them cause plants to both extend branches
    and gain o/a mass much more slowly - a bane if rapid growth is the
    goal - a boon if growth restriction and a compact plant are what you
    have your sights set on.


    Conversely,
    rampant growth can be had by growing in very large containers and in
    very fast soils where frequent watering and fertilizing is required -
    so it's not that plants rebel at being potted into very large
    containers per se, but rather, they rebel at being potted into very
    large containers with a soil that is too slow and water-retentive.
    This is a key point.


    We
    know that there is an inverse relationship between soil particle size
    and the height of the perched water table (PWT) in containers. As
    particle size increases, the height of the PWT decreases, until at
    about a particle size of just under 1/8 inch, soils will no longer
    hold perched water. If there is no perched water, the soil is ALWAYS
    well aerated, even when the soil is at container capacity (fully
    saturated).


    So,
    if you aim for a soil (like the gritty mix) composed primarily of
    particles larger than 1/16", there is no upper limit to
    container size, other than what you can practically manage. The lower
    size limit will be determined by the soil volume's ability to allow
    room for roots to ’run’ and to furnish water enough to sustain
    the plant between irrigations. Bearing heavily on this ability is the
    ratio of fine roots to coarse roots. It takes a minimum amount of
    fine rootage to support the canopy under high water demand. If the
    container is full of large roots, there may not be room for a
    sufficient volume of the fine roots that do all the water/nutrient
    delivery work and the coarse roots, too. You can grow a very large
    plant in a very small container if the roots have been well managed
    and the lion's share of the rootage is fine. You can also grow very
    small plants, even seedlings, in very large containers if the soil is
    fast (free-draining and well-aerated) enough that the soil holds no,
    or very little perched water.


    I
    have just offered clear illustration why the oft repeated advice to
    ‘resist potting up more than one pot size at a time’, only
    applies when using heavy, water-retentive soils. Those using
    well-aerated soils are not bound by the same restrictions. As the ht
    and volume of the perched water table are reduced, the potential for
    negative effects associated with over-potting are diminished in a
    direct relationship with the reduction - up to the point at which the
    soil holds no (or an insignificant amount) of perched water and
    over-potting pretty much becomes a non-issue.


    This, about woody plants grown in pots for the long haul provides a good outline covering what's required to keep trees healthy for periods measured in decades instead of months.


    Al

  • 10 years ago

    Thanks Al. You have given me a lot to think about. i had planned the 100L pot as its final "home" with the occasional re-potting just to re-juvinate the potting mix after some years.

  • 10 years ago

    100L will support a lot of tree if the roots are well managed. If roots aren't well managed, I could see 100L not being enough pot to the point of being significantly limiting within a 5-7 year span. Some will try to sell you on the idea that a tree NEEDS to be root bound to produce well in pots, but if that was true, the millions of in situ plants in our landscapes would all either be producing poorly or be producing well only for the reason some enterprising orchard manager figured out how to contain the roots of fruit trees so they grow in tight little knots directly under the trunk.

    Al

  • 10 years ago

    I am assuming you are in Australia and so you should be close to your optimal time to repot. I would be interested in updates to this project. I have a mango tree that I grew from seed out of curiosity. It does not fruit obviously but it has flowered couple of times. Next year I am planning to buy a grafted mango tree and so my interest in updates on progress from you.