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Anyone Ever Reframe Inside Existing Walls?

10 years ago

I have this older home that really needs lots of love.I own this home free and clear.I have considered tearing it down but it has some sentimental value.Currently i rent it out,pretty low rent due to condition.

I put a new roof on 2 years ago,all new sheeting,some framing had to be redone because of rot,so the 5k quoted roof ended up costing 12k! In it's current condition,i would say it's value is around 40k

It is a rather boring house in an ok neighborhood.It is a rectangular,single story slab,3 bedrooms,1 is 12x12,1 is 10x12 and 1 is 8x10. with only 1 full bath.Overall outside dimensions are about 24'x36'. Kitchen is odd because the furnace,water heater and washer/dryer are in a cavity that separates the living room and kitchen,so it's all in the kitchen.

The home was built in the 50's,think it's like a pre fab house?The walls are very thin,in some spots like under kitchen sink,i can see daylight through some areas of the walls...has very old aluminum siding,most windows are just painted shut old,single pane missing storms.

Here is what i was thinking... I would like to rip off all the nasty aluminum siding,i could do that.I would like to put up either some cedar siding or some of that cement plank board. I would like to replace all the windows.That work i would leave for the professionals as i haven't done work like that before,although i am sure i could,i'd be more comfortable knowing it was done right..On the inside,i could do just about everything. I would like to reframe all the exterior facing walls on the inside and get up some good insulation.I would run all new wiring as the old wiring doesn't have the ground plugs on outlets.I would redo all the plumbing with pex.Already had an issue with the water pipes that are buried in the slab.According to a local plumber,back in the 50's when the house was built,copper was expensive so they added different metals to the copper to make it cheaper.Eventually this added metal rusts and pinholes form.So this happened twice,first we jack hammered the bedroom floor,next time we ran cpvc up and over in the attic.I want to replace that cpvc,hence the pex.

I don't really want to change the layout except for the odd furnace/water heater/washer&dryer.I would move these to the tiny bedroom,making it a 2 bedroom home.

So as you can see,this is almost a complete redo,with me doing the majority of the work.I have done quite a lot of electrical work as i am an industrial electrician.I have experience in pretty much all areas of the work i intend to do.I think it could be a very nice project and possibly a good little retirement home for me! Just buttloads of work!

I was thinking the siding and windows would run around 10k-15k,and interior i was thinking materials,about 8k for all new engineered hardwood,$2500 for plumbing,2k for framing,$1500 for insulation,5k for rta kitchen cabs and with all the other miscellaneous stuff, a total budget of around 40k-50k.

Anyone ever took on a project like this,seen a project like this or have any opinions?

Comments (9)

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Greg already asked the question I had, but another question is that if you plan to continue renting it out after the reno, how much more rent would you get? So, what is the return on your investment of time and money. Also, this will take quite some time (especially for the parts you do yourself which is on top of your regular job), during which you will forego rent - so remember to add that in to the total cost of the project.

    camsgt thanked freeoscar
  • 10 years ago

    The current value is just due to condition of the home. I looked at some local 2 br properties in the area and they seem to run 140-160. I was planning this taking approximately 6-8 months.I am semi retired,work about 24-30 hrs a week.I know it's quite a large project and wouldn't be unhappy if it took a year.

    As far as rent,if I were to rent it,currently I get $450 monthly.Average house rentals in the area for a decent house run around $850 but this is a property that I would more than likely want to stay in.

    Just trying to kick around some ideas,would hate to have to demolish the house.Thought this might be a good alternative.

    Appreciate the comments

  • 10 years ago

    I would venture to guess, assuming no municipal restrictions on rebuilding, you'd be better off (and it'd be quicker to) tear it down and rebuild. I guess the only thing you are saving by doing your method is the new roof. But, you are going to be stuck with the slab plumbing and limitations of integrating into an old, rotten, sideways house building from within.

    camsgt thanked kirkhall
  • 10 years ago

    That is an interesting option and I did consider it but think the cost would be much greater,all new framing,roof trusses,sheathing,shingles,all new fixtures plus the cost of demo I would imagine running close to 10k just for that.

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    You are not going to be dollars ahead by renovating. The ONLY thing you are "saving" is a memory. Take a picture.

    Get the bulldozer. If you can DIY all that you are contemplating, and I am skeptical of that, then adding in the demo shouldn't be a stretch. The biggest mistake most people make is over assessing their DIY abilities, and underestimating the time and sheer amount of grunt work that is needed. Especially for someone "semi-retired". It'd be hard on even a young guy.

    Either get out of the slumlord business and demolish the house entirely, or build a new rental after the demo. The tax breaks lean towards new construction. Even if you finance it and someone else does it. Talk to your accountant.

    camsgt thanked User
  • 10 years ago

    We've done this on our home, we planned on a a full gut,not necessarily a full "rebuild". Due to the neglect/lack of upkeep on the house, we've hand to fully replace most of the floor joists and about half the exterior walls (for an addition and due to lack of space for insulation).

    We are on year 3, I'd estimate we still have another 2 to 3 years left without touching the landscaping/hardscapes (kitchen, one bedroom, LR, redoing remainder of siding and roof ) Honestly I don't know if I would do it again. My husband and I are in our 20s and also have access to family friends who have been in the biz for a while. I am consistently prey to underestimating the amount of work involved, just the sheer amount of energy to move all the materials from the building supply store into your home etc.

    Based on our spending thus far, I'd say your estimates aren't far off, maybe a bit higher if you have more expensive taste in finishes.

    ill be honest there's times I wish our house had burned down, but for us this was the only way to afford the house we wanted, as we've been paying as we go on materials, since the mortgage was only marginally higher than our apt rent.

    Id say it definitely can be done, but there are times two sets of hands are necessary. I'd also say budget for if someone professional was going to do the entire job, what if you become sick or injured halfway through?

    camsgt thanked jml248
  • 10 years ago

    Putting $40k + labor into a house that's only worth $40k - no way. It's a tear down.

  • 6 years ago

    I know this is old, but what did you decide on this? I have a similar kit home that I'm thinking of reframing the exterior walls with metal studs, or adding furring strips.