Sorry, not sure how to edit. The clear area of my garden has soil between six and 12 inches deep ( solid bed rock below that ), and I'm wondering if that's good enough. It's all sloping, so it dries out quickly and I have to keep an eye on water and mulching.

The second question I meant to say "cut back " all the weeds and the male Keewee's together except for the flowering Keewee time .

Both fuzzy kiwi and hardy kiwi are big, vigorous vines and big, vigorous vines generally have big, vigorous root systems!! I doubt the 6" depth will be sufficient for healthy development but the 12" should do. You don't need many males - one will do the job for up to 8 female vines but they do need to be planted relatively close. Within 12' is the suggested spacing or even planting both a male and female vine in the same hole.

While it takes several years of establishment before the vines become productive (usually about 3-5 years), once they start bearing fruit they can produce a lot!! 40 pounds or more is not uncommon for a fuzzy. So keep that in mind when determining how many vines you might choose to plant. And make sure you have a very sturdy and stable support system for these.

Thanks. The only spots left on the land have some challenges. Either clear and shallow, or deeper soil filled with bamboo and weed vines that are impossible to get totally rid of.

I was trying to grow three different female varieties ( One green, two gold ) , that can be impregnated with two males ( One green one gold). I accidentally have three males though( One green two gold ), and I believe one of the females died.

I was hoping to put the two females in the nice shallow area with a big trellis, and the three males in the nasty weed area. Looks like I may not be able to grow Keewee's if they need deep soil was no competition.

And the males just be left to grow wild among weeds with no trimming?

I my experience Kiwi's out-compete everything. Their goal is world domination. I spend an insane amount of time pruning them to keep them in line. So rather than weed competition you need to consider how accessible the area for the male is so that you can get in there and keep him pruned. Though all of my vines are in regular garden soil (I assume it is deep) they grow a lot of roots right across the ground, so I'm not so sure they need super deep soil.

You could always mound up good soil and plant your females into it and then after they get established graft your male vine onto them so that you won't need a separate male plant - a lot of the commercial places graft male vines onto females to save space.

That's a great idea. But the area I would mound the soil up is sloping, with bedrock underneath, so I'm not sure if it would be permanent.

I wonder if I could make a wall, a kind of half-moon "cup", Just around the base of each female, that would prevent raised soil from washing away over time?

Would pruning the males stimulate more flowering?

It would be nice if they compete aggressively, as there are wild vines that grow locally that look a lot like kiwis. You could literally watch them grow in the summer.

I have some fuzzy kiwis planted around my patio pergola. The good soil is only about 8 inches deep and then there is clay and grass growing where the roots must be.

Thanks again guys. The vines showed moderate to low growth this year. My most exotic Variety, an apple shaped female kiwi, died due to overheating and lack of water during summer in the shallow soil that was available for it .

I've bought another one, I need to decide where to plant things. Due to the long timeline and lack of ideal choices, I find it a bit stressful, LOL.

Your half moon retaining wall is a good idea, IMO. I have done this with plantings to provide a larger rooting area in a similar situation. Make the Radius 5' minimum for a decent sized planting environment.

Thanks, I think I'll convert the wetter morning shaded section of the vegitabke garden For kiwis. This will also free up theircurrent local for 3 nectarine/peach that need deeper soil. If all works, my whole garden will be low/no maintenance orchard after a year. These areas naturally get enough water to do ok.

hate to do it, as I gotta rip them all up again, but I think it's the best bet.

Well I just finished moving everything. Two nectarines, one peach, 5 kiwi vines. Hated to do it as all the plants were well established, loaded with buds, and I had to rip throug lots of roots to dig them up. I really hope they work out in the new locations. It's a bit cramped in the new Kiwi location, about 10 feet wide wedge, and I'll have to keep up on pruning to stop them getting into the neighbors plots. But it's some of the best soil on the property, naturally gets lots of water, and a bit more shaded and humid which should cut down a leaf scorch.

The fruit trees have plenty of depth now to sink their roots, as well as lots of room. It should be easier to weed as well, as the weeds look and act exactly like super kiwis. The peach is now about 40 feet away from its cross pollinator, hopefully it's good enough. At least it will have a decent chance of bearing fruit now.

Oh by the way, here's that apple kiwi I was telling you about. It's supposed to be a little larger and have a higher brix level than the normal gold kiwi and ripen a little sooner.