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Winter musings

9 years ago

So this year I have learned a lot of things about growing Sans indoors that I have had failures with before that are now successes, I'm so happy to say. 1st of all, I finally got the potting mix right, using the c&s soil 50/50 with perlite, thanks to the suggestions on this forum. I was originally using MG c&s but I have come to like Hoffman's c&s better. That has helped all my plants enormously.

The pots are a different story. I was a die hard clay pot user until this winter when I'm seeing clay pots and 50/50 mix leave the plants too dry. In fact, some of my plants are outright dessicated and I've had to make an extreme watering effort to bring them back. The only Sans that seem to do ok in clay with 50/50 soil are the hahnii group. I presume because they like to dry out that quickly.

Like most of you, I've struggled growing golden hahnii, in fact, of the three I had I only have one left that I would say is surviving, not thriving. I can't grow ordinary hahnii to save my life either yet I grow Jade like there's no tomorrow! Go figure? Both totally green, but only Jade thrives for me.

I think I am going to switch to either all plastic or ceramic pots from now on, leaving only the hahnii in clay.

Interestedly, I have an ehrenbergii in a ceramic pot that has not needed to be watered all winter, even though my house is hot. I know this because I made the smartest investment of my Sans growing career and bought a water meter. This has made all the difference in growing to me. That, and fertilizing. Somehow I was under the impression Sans did not need to be fertilized. That was a mistake. A generous friend of mine strongly suggested I started fertilizing with Osmocote and what a difference! This is what I mean. Great people and advice here.

About propagation; I've had a masoniana rooting since last April. Yes, April 2016 and it has only sprouted a leaf just recently. What up with that?? I've had other more successful leaf propositions than that but I can't get over the 9 month lead time on the masoniana!

Oh, and all the folks who bought from that one grower with a mealy bug problem as I did, I had a second outbreak on one of his plants!! I had to take it out in the sunroom on a warmer day and Bonide the heck out of it. That's why the top shelf on my one plant rack was sparse in my previous post, the mealies had spread to three other Sans as well so I had to isolate and treat them, which is no easy feat in an apartment. But it seems ok now.

I hope everyone is having great success with their plants as well!


Comments (66)

  • 9 years ago
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    That's very kind of you, as always, Stush. I have a few things to trade Sans wise and even a couple of killer aloes I think you will like when the time comes.

    I was rereading the JC Sans book and I'm thinking the other Futura you gave me, and I think you gave one to Chris, is actually Futura Wonder. I don't know if you have the book but I'll take a picture of JC's picture and post it so you can see as well. Just let me know if you want to see it. You certainly have some really unusual varieties of the trifasciata family, Stush!!

  • 9 years ago

    vitorama post a pic!! I never got a hold of Chainians book and I would love to see too. Stush great 'Asahi'. I love this cultivar. I lost mine a year or two back don't remember why but I think I had it in less than ideal winter conditions. When smaller I had it on my windowsill and it grew and pupped very well. That future 'Striated' is one of my favorites. I was gifted the parent plant and it is one I will always keep around as it is a lot of fun. Every pup is different. vitorama I would love to see your Aloes too!!!

  • 9 years ago

    Don't recall?

    vitorama thanked Stush2049 Pitts. PA, zone 6
  • 9 years ago
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    Ok Chris, comparison pic.

    Stush's Futura:

    Sorry the lighting is so bad.

    Regular Futura:

    I wish I could show how different the color is. My Futura is pale green and Stush's is pale gray with the transverse markings.

    Chihanian's book:

    What do you think?

  • 9 years ago
    Oh the unusual 'Moonshine' from Stush?
    vitorama thanked woodnative
  • 9 years ago

    Wow! Yours is huge! What did you do to it?? Lol. Yes, that one

  • 9 years ago

    Gosh, that Moonshine is making me swoon ........ I just love the pale, unmarked top growth!

    Good morning from Blizzardy NYC -- no trains to take to get to work!

  • 9 years ago

    Sorry to hear about how bad the east coast is getting hammered.

    Vitorama, I don't think that's the same plant described by Juan. Maybe some one can contact him and let him decide about this? So far only got a few pups true but other pups reverted back to all silver and larger growing. Hope Chris's pup true. So far have yours been true?

    Karen, These came from 'Moonshine'. Reason we love them is because they are different with extra green banding. I have regular Moonshine if you want any?

  • 9 years ago
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    Stush, are you trying to crush my hopes of Futura Wonder? Lol. Ok, well, I wished anyway. It is definitely different from regular Futura. Mine hasn't pupped yet Stush, so I'm not sure how they will turn out. I'll keep you posted.

  • 9 years ago
    Karen we didn't get as many inches as expected here in no but it is heavy and wet and schools will be closed two days. Shush this first pup looks suspiciously like regular 'moonshine' but we will know more this summer!!
  • 9 years ago
    My future striated her four pups are looking better than mom. Can't wait for warm weather and to get these guys back outside.
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  • 9 years ago

    So beautiful, Chris!

  • 9 years ago

    This is for Woodnative and Stush. Completely off topic but requested pics of the cool aloes. I wish I knew the names.

    the second one is crazy, right?

  • 9 years ago

    Whoa!!! Those are certainly some very unusual looking Aloes....nothing like I expected. That second one is awesome!!

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  • 9 years ago

    I've seen the second one before. Have to look up it's name. Purchased last year Aloe descoingsii x haworthioides which looked really cool by it's picture but the plant is very small growing. Was hopping it grew much larger.

    I broke it all up into many plants.

    My taste has been going towards small hybrid Aloes and Haworthias. So much easier to keep and this time of year is their growing season. Got very lucky with seeds from ebay two years ago.

    Got many Haworthias as well. Not from seeds, they take many years to grow so I was lucky to find some nice ones around. Posted on C&S forum.

    Lori, Keep me in mind if you get pups from above. Also any takers for Aloe descoingsii x haworthioides? They only grow about 3 to 4 inches max. Mine are at best 2 inches. I think they can take down to 40 degrees and never had a rot issue.

    My Aloes and Haworthia take on many different colors of green, red, purple and blue during the stressful hot summer days. Turn all green during their growing season now.

    They are so popular on the other forum that we should have our own forum just for them.

    Also I numbered my hybrid Aloes until I can get a proper guess ID.


    vitorama thanked Stush2049 Pitts. PA, zone 6
  • 9 years ago

    Beautiful selection, Stush! You've done so well with the seed grown aloes. I remember you saying you were starting them last year. It's amazing how you get such a variety in seeds. Awesome!

    i have had a thing for haworthias too, Stush, especially when you see what some people are posting, that thread is still going! I love the Haws with windows and some of the ones I've seen are to die for! I have to keep that collecting under control though because my main love are Sans and I only have so much window space available!

    i will have the green one available in the spring, if you like that one too. The white peduncled one is just pupping now so you will be the first on my list, Stush.

  • 9 years ago
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    The 'hahnis' and Aloe maculata variegated growing on my office windowsill need dividing. This windowsill is beside single pane glass in a converted trailer in New Jersey but the plants seem to do well enough there. I put them on a desk for the photo all are practically breaking out of their pots, esp. that Aloe!

  • 9 years ago

    Chris, that bottom left in the picture. Looks almost like golden hahnii but much more green. Is a pup available?!

    My Aloe maculata variegated is doing well but not nearly as nice as yours. Is it in all year or do you give it a summer vacation? Mine got burned last summer even in part sun. This year it get bright shade.

    Lori, Thanks.

  • 9 years ago

    Wow, Chris! Your variegation selection is stunning. The aloe maculata is to die for!

    I'm with Stush, if you ever divide that hahnii bottom left and want to trade, I'm sure I can find something you'd like.

  • 9 years ago
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    Yes I can make a pup of that Hahni available to both of you. Stush I thought you may have this (this plant was originally a 'Silver Frost' but now much more like a greener gold hahni). Stush I will send a pup of this to you along with a pup of 'Jade dwarf marginated'. Maybe next week if the weather is better. Vitorama do you have this variegated Aloe??

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  • 9 years ago

    Thank you Chris. That other Silver Frost you sent is doing great but not so nice of colors as yours is showing. Still a keeper. I'm down to one hahnii Streaker. Lost 3 of them to crown rot. Hope that last one survives. So far lost 1/2 of it but remaining one is started to grow. Worst year for my special hahnii.

    Got computer problems. If I can't fix them, may be off for a while. Computer is about 15 years old and new ones are much cheaper and way more powerful.

  • 9 years ago
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    Wow, Chris! That would be awesome! Thank you! I do not have the variegated aloe either.

    Do you have ehrenbergii 'Samurai'? I could hook you up with one of those if you'd like.

  • 9 years ago

    vitorama....Although 'Samurai' looks like a nice looking and desirable plant......I am EXTREMELY limited on my growing space to about 3 small windows....even moreso for the bright light, so I will pass. You may prompt my interest in something else possibly (not sure what else you grow, also maybe outside plants, aquarium/terrarium plants[?]) else postage is fine. Maybe keep on a list for a pup of that second Aloe with the white teeth assuming it is a smaller growing type.

    vitorama thanked woodnative
  • 9 years ago
    Divided the two larger on upper right for Stush and vitorama.
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  • 9 years ago

    Woodnative, I will definitely keep you on the list for the aloe, no problem. I don't have much in the way of aquarium/terrarium plants because like you, with my limited space, I am primarily a Sans freak with some, not just some, a lot, of other succulents. I live right by an aquatic nursery though so if there is anything in particular you are looking for, I may be able to get it for you.

    That Sans is To. Die. For. You and Stush kill me with your hahnii growing skills.

  • 9 years ago

    No skills this year. That's why I need restocking. With haworthias, they seem to not mind being in lower light and temps. Same with the hybrid aloes that stay small. Just perfect for house plants.

    Chris, I seen some hahniis' called hahnii "Silver cream" that looked exactly like yours.


    Sold on ebay last year.

    Haven't heard from 'michaela' in some time. Hope he is well. I'll email him.


  • 9 years ago

    Is 'Silver Cream' a made up name, I assume(?). Does look similar, or at least like something that came off of 'Silver Frost'. Stush and vitorama boxes should get out today (Tuesday) and arrive tomorrow (Wednesday).

    vitorama thanked woodnative
  • 9 years ago

    Chris, Yes of course. Seems every nursery thinks they have the next great new plant out there. So they name it and think there's is the only one. When someone like B. Juan Chahinian records it and publishes it, then it gets some respect. But even then, if some proof comes in of a earlier one then it gets the credit. Name game all over again.

    Mike's back and well. :-)

    Stush

  • 9 years ago

    Chris, how do you know my address? Just curious.

  • 9 years ago
    Vitirama I asked Santa..,...
  • 9 years ago

    Santa Stush, no doubt. As long as it's not posted on the internet somewhere I'm not aware of. Lol

  • 9 years ago

    I do believe Stush has a beard. Santa has a beard. Coincidence?? Maybe no......

  • 9 years ago

    I used to weigh 395 lbs. and was called Santa Stush before. I am now 250 lb. and feeling way much more better. Lori, sorry if I violated your trust. I know Chris and dealt with both of you before. I should have asked first. Sorry.

    vitorama thanked Stush2049 Pitts. PA, zone 6
  • 9 years ago
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    I think she will be happy when she opens the box and her information is not posted anywhere!

    vitorama thanked woodnative
  • 9 years ago

    I'm not upset with you at all, Stush, really. Don't take it that way.

    It's just I'm no internet expert and truly thought maybe I posted my address on the GW that I didn't know about. Now THAT would have been upsetting. Lol!

  • 9 years ago

    Woodnative, did I see you on another social media outlet flashing a gorgeous Futura Striated?

  • 9 years ago
    Yes on the striated!! Check for boxes should have arrived. The delivery guy often dumps them and runs
  • 9 years ago
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    Got mine today and well pleased. You gave me nice well grown plants. Thanks Chris. Potted up, photoed, and installed in data base.

  • 9 years ago

    What a wonderful surprise to come home to a boat load of plants! Stush, you couldn't have packed more in that little box if you tried! Thank you!

    Chris, I can't thank you enough for the beautiful plants! Senegambica is one of my all time faves so variegated is amazing! Thank you!

  • 9 years ago
    Glad to hear Stush! Vitorama your box should be there too.
    vitorama thanked woodnative
  • 9 years ago
    Oops posting at same time lol. Enjoy!!
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  • 9 years ago

    Vitorama that senegambica variegated is something you won't find anywhere else but it is not too difficult to grow. I got the original plant a decade or so ago and it only had one variegated stripe on one leaf. It produced plain green after plain green pup for two years (or more?) or so until I finally got it to produce one from the section with the variegation and went from there. That hahni is unusual too good luck with them.

  • 9 years ago

    Ohh, now I'm jealous. My senegambica is still all green. Kidding, it is still a nice plant to own. It does grow pretty strong and healthy.

  • 9 years ago

    Stush I though I had sent you this before?? Let me know if you "need" one I will certainly send one (though probably later in summer).

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    I will certainly relish my plant then. I've shopped many a grower and have never seen a senegambica variegated.

    So woodnative, it does appear to me you love the variegates over the plain green Sans? How many variegated species do you have?

    Sorry I started trouble with Stush. (jk)

  • 9 years ago

    Vitorama I think variegates are a lot of fun. I particularly like the unstable variegates with more random variegation. These are more difficult in that they need to be "maintained" to keep the right amount of variegation. S. senegambica striated and S.t. future striated fall into that category, and to some extent that hahni might too. I grow a masoniana variegated and a cylindrical variegated (the latter is only one plant and doesn't have much variegation right now) along that line but space is limited....even moreso for the sensitive variegates. I am in NJ too in a smaller house (that is on a north hill) and don't have that much space for growing plants but I packed 3 little windows. My office window is also pretty decent for plants so I have some there too. In any case I mostly grow smaller Sans. I have a couple other favorites around such as some unusual jades (all still small) and I always like to keep a variegated Monstera around. OH I love streaked Hosta too which also have unstable variegation.

    Stush box did not arrive yet hopefully today, though we are having a monsoon!

  • 9 years ago

    Woodnative. You did send me a S. Senegambica but it had one small white stripe in one leaf and all the rest of the new leaves were regular as well as the new pups. Still hoping to see some thing in the pups.

    What I'm most upset about is loosing 3 hahnii streakers. Last one is also now showing crown rot. Hopefully one pup on it survives and I can replenish my stock. I like that one more than Gold Hahnii because no two leaves are alike. Some of my Sans treated the exact same way did great thru the winter. Really hurts to see Gold Hahnii, Streaker and Jade marginated bite the dust.

    What's not to love about variegated plants?

    Verizon just notified me that they no longer going to carrier emails. I might have to switch to AOL. Better yet, switch everything to Comcast.

  • 9 years ago

    Stush- Not sure when I sent you that..........for a while that is all I was getting was minimal variegation but with time I have gotten better ones. Next package I send you will include a better one I would have this time if I had known.. Maybe hahni 'streaker' too but also later this summer I only kept one pot of it over winter. It is one I like a lot too and like to keep a backup.

    My original Monstera variegated also had minimal variegation........just a little white stripe about every third leaf. As it grew I kept chopping it up.....trying to encourage new growth from the part of the stem with variegation. Eventually (took some time) I did get it and now have a couple of well mottled plants.

    Hope my box arrives today!! -Chris

  • 9 years ago
    Stush-,thank you so much!!! Wonderful plants!!!!!!
  • 9 years ago

    Glad to pay back some of the wonderful plants you have sent me and others.

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