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Cracked Support Beam

9 years ago

Not 'new' house, but where else to post?

I need to know who to hire to assess/repair this situation.

Our DS has discovered a major crack in a major support beam in our 2001 teardown/build. He's there. We're on vacation.

We took a 1950's ranch down to the basement and first floor, leaving the chimney. We built a new 9' first floor and full height attic on the existing foundation.

Other beams were doubled. This one was not. It is near the center of the house.

Floor joists run E-W. Beam is about 30 feet long, running N-S under the first floor, visible from the (poured cement) original basement.

No evidence of cracks in the walls above this area. No problems with windows or doors.

I need on-site assessment to know if the beam can be repaired or if it must be replaced. It's in an awkward place between furnace and chimney.

I don't know how we'd even get a new beam INTO the basement. There's only one emergency egress window well at the W end of the basement. Basement stairs are 'L' shape.

Do I hire a structural engineer?

Years ago my mother owned a rental farmhouse that was shored up with jack posts. (Probably not a long-term, nor to-code solution.)

Comments (19)

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    Structural engineer or architectural engineer. Same difference, if the A.Engr. specializes in structures. Some civil engineers also specialize in structures.

  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    This sound like the main girder of the house. How large is it? I assume it is a timber not built-up lumber. An engineer will be able to determine the actual loads on the beam and judge its condition. If the crack runs horizontally half way up the beam it may not reduce the strength of the beam but for such a long span only an engineer's opinion is worth anything to the building department.

    Steel posts or adjustable jack posts are fine if they are rated for the load and are on a new reinforced concrete footing all of which will be specified by the engineer.

  • 9 years ago

    I don't know how we'd even get a new beam INTO the basement.

    If necessary, a section of the basement wall can be removed.

  • 9 years ago

    Thanks, all! I'm not home, so can't measure. The crack runs diagonally through the beam, about in the middle of it. It's wood, original to the house when it was built in the 1950's. I do not understand why this beam was not 'doubled'. I remember that other beams that I believe are the -- same size -- are. The original house was about 2000 sq ft. Now it's 3000, plus full-height attic under 10/12 (architectural shingle) roof that could be living space with the addition of dormers.

    When the house was demolished we kept a Kohler whirlpool tub; I *think* it is over this beam.

    Worthy -- Ack! This beam is in the middle of the original basement, resting on the original poured cement basement walls. There are 5' deep cement crawls all around it now, supporting enlarged rooms. So...there's not any kind of 'some assembly required' beam? LOL

    Sure hoping this can be *reinforced* in place.

    How do I find a structural engineer? House is north of Chicago. It was inspected and passed by this city's building inspector -- right before he went to serve time for a (different) work-related infraction.


  • PRO
    9 years ago

    "How do I find a structural engineer north of Chicago?"

    The same as any other professional: 1) Yellow pages; 2) Internet; 3) Google; 4) Ask your local architect; 5) Call you local AIA or engineering society!

  • 9 years ago

    Google "structural engineer" and your zip code.

    If that doesn't work do the same thing for "architect" and call some to ask for the name of an engineer who does small projects. The smaller the architectural firm the better your chance of finding a willing engineer.

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    Or call your local chapter office of NSPE--National Society of Professional Engineers.

  • 9 years ago

    Chisue, please send me a message.

  • 9 years ago

    Helpful suggestion, don't fill the tub until the beam is inspected. (There is always one in every crowd. Today, it's my turn:))

  • 9 years ago

    You should be able to get the beam thru the basement window. They might be able to replace that beam(with temp support) with a steel beam.

  • 9 years ago

    Thanks, all! I'll try all suggestions.

    Encouraging idea, robin, although the access window is at the west end of the basement, and the beam is N-S. It would be difficult to rotate it within the confined space.

    Still hoping for a 'repair' solution.

  • 9 years ago

    Is it not possible to put a steel post or two at or on either side of the crack?

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    There's an infinite number of make-shift solutions which could be done. The important question, however, is why did the beam crack, and what is the best, and safest, most durable solution to the problem which caused the cracking?

    You can consult a professional (who can also help you with the access challenge), or you can apply duct tape.

    Your choice. Good luck!

  • 9 years ago

    I'm not planning on 'makeshift'. We'd never be able to sell the house! I just foresee the difficulty in getting a new beam into place.

    It is ironic that we spent the better part of a year getting the city's Building Review Committee (volunteer busybodies) satisfied on niggling things, then the salaried building inspector misses a major flaw?


  • 9 years ago

    If the beam cracked but did not deflect, the crack is most likely due to age and normal checking from. If the strength of the beam had been compromised it would have deflected enough to be noticeable. So put a string along the bottom edge of it and see what has happened.

    And post a photo; there are different kinds of cracks.

    Is there some reason a new steel post and footing can't be installed?

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    Keep in mind that with your discovery of the cracked beam, and the discussion here, you have demonstrated that you are aware of the issue, and now have responsibility for its proper and adequate repair. You will have to disclose the crack and your solution in any future sales listing and transfer of title to a new owner. So do it properly!

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    Would the use of duct tape be considered "properly"??

  • PRO
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    "...Would the use of duct tape be considered "properly"??..."

    Sorry! Old Special Forces motto: "If it moves and it's not supposed to, use duct tape (we called it 100 mile per hour tape). If it doesn't move and it's supposed to, use WD-40! Will fix anything.

    It was just old military sarcasm!