Think I read its pretty much the same thing in HE detergent. ..just adding more lol. As for brand, I don't know and can't find mine, think hubs took it. Just get a tiny bottle if you buy it as it will last forever.

For those with a FL ..add a few drops in a cup of water and dump it down the dispenser..follow with a teapot of clean water.

Bea....are you still having suds problems?

Yeah, it's like an on going battle. Some loads worse than others. It's hard to understand, using the same amount of HE detergent I used in my Bosch FL. Guess the Queen just stirs it up more. And with the added Borax everything comes out clean and fresh...go figure.

beaglenc....you might really want to try the famous/infamous Rosalie's Zero Suds detergent. ONLY truly non sudsing and clear rinsing detergent I have ever used!!!

Bea I know its unreal that a full fill can whip up the suds with a tablespoon of detergent.. Could some of it be just water bubbles from agitation...when you stop the machine what happens with the suds?

Larsi, you've no idea how much I want to try Rosalie's! But it's just too expensive and shipping is over the top.

Mama, I know right? With some detergents, the suds collapse during my soak period and some don't. With some HEC detergent, no suds in the wash but suds in the rinses. I am doing double rinses now even with Tide turbo.