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9 years ago

We had a new central air unit installed back in 2013, so we've had it just shy of 4 years now. It has a 10 year warranty.


Last week when temps were 77 degrees and higher, we ran the unit for the first time this year. It would not cool our house, so we called our heating and cooling contractor.


He came out, hosed off our unit, said that should fix it and charged us $65 telling us that was a discount and he's only charging us a "Tune up rate". Our furnace filter was brand new, so the filter was not clogged. He did NOT remove the cover off the air conditioning unit at all. So as far as I am aware, I got charged $65 for a contractor to spray my air unit with my hose. Sheesh.


So it was still 77 degrees outside, and I set my thermostat to 70 and it ran for 24 more hours and took that long to get down to 70 degrees - it was on literally nonstop.


So I call our heating and cooling guy back and he gives me some argument that "hospitals set their temp at 72 degrees and you should never have to set it below 70 because it won't get that cold". HUH?????


All prior years if we set our unit to 65, it would cool to 65. If someone wants their home 70 degrees or 62 degrees, and I paid for a central air unit, there's no reason my home shouldn't get down to 62 degrees.


We have an old 1920's home and the second floor is always warmer, so we like it cooler at night. 68 is comfy, 70 degrees gets too stuffy in here. But I can't even get it down to 68 this year.


We have a Rheem Weather King unit, 2 1/2 ton 30,000 btu's and a 1592 square foot home.


And what does a "tune-up" technically entail on an air conditioning unit?


My husband called him today and got the same shpeel about how hospitals keep their temp at 72 degrees and that our house will never get below 70. >?????? Though we've owned our home for 13 years and yes, if we want our home at 65 in prior years it cooled to 65.


When it's 75 degrees out, our unit is running NONSTOP just to cool our home to 70 degrees. It will not go below 70. I can't imagine what my electric bills will be. I know this is not normal and obviously the performance is degrading. It's under warranty. What do I do? This contractor wants to convince me that my home will never cool below 70 degrees but that's complete bull.



Comments (6)

  • 9 years ago

    What is your location and what has been the high temperatures these past few days? Did you tell the tech you have set your thermostat to 65 degrees in past summers?

    Is your warranty for parts only or did it also include labor?

    You should do periodic preventive maintenance. On a new unit every 2 years should be sufficient. This requires opening the condenser, doing a thorough inspection of all internal components, measuring voltages, and hooking up gauges to measure the refrigerant level. You might call it a "tune up".

    Spraying the condenser with a hose to clean the coil of any debris is part of the maintenance. I would expect to pay more than $65 for a thorough preventive maintenance service.

  • 9 years ago

    Mike pretty much covered what can be covered without inspecting unit. It sound's like your contractor doen't know or possibly care what he's doing. Call someone else and there's no need to discuss prior service call.

  • 9 years ago

    Need to check delta t and your supply temps at inside registers...post back...

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    The dial on the thermostat does not determine how much or how little cooling you get. There is a maximum that depends on a variety of factors typically the size of the load being placed on the structure.

    If the load is light: like 85 degrees out side you could achieve 65 degrees indoors if everything is operating as it should be.

    20 degrees from OAT is all you are going to get.* (*Depending on design and location not to mention proper operation of the system.)

    The OAT will vary through out the day as well as the year so it's not hard when shooting for these outer limit thresholds to find the maximum cooling you will get.

    There are design limits. You can't just set a number and expect to reach it. Air conditioning has NEVER worked this way.

    This doesn't mean there isn't a capacity related problem with your system. Stop using maintenance men as a service provider.

  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Old house, 2nd floor is hot. This is typical. You need to start looking at more attic insulation, perhaps better windows as well. If your roof rafters are your ceiling in the 2nd floor then the rafter joist space needs insulation installed if there is none, or better insulation like closed cell spray foam if you have fiberglass batt.

    Otherwise, concerning the AC, if it worked ok last year and is not this year then you are probably low on refrigerant. Very odd the HVAC tech that came out did not check that. From the sounds of it, he couldn't care less. Although setting below 70 is usually not needed. You probably have the thermostat on the main floor and the 2nd floor is still hot so you try to set the AC lower, that is probably what is going on. So there is a ductwork design problem, your not getting the airflow needed to cool the 2nd floor enough. Add that to the old house insulation and old windows and yea its going to be hot on the 2nd floor while the sun beats down on the roof and turns the 2nd floor into an oven.

    If you have an attic above the 2nd floor that would be fantastic because you have more options at your disposal. Easier to add more insulation, easier to add ventilation to the attic to cool it down. Still need better ductwork design for 2nd floor.

    Less invasive option is a window unit upstairs. Less efficient and higher energy bill. But first you should start by getting the refrigerant levels checked in your current unit by someone competent.