At $56 for a one ounce bottle of "stuff" that only makes a little over 2 gallons of "fertilizer" that's rather steep. It would be cheaper to just buy tomatoes. Can't find any real info on the stuff except that it was made from "robust desert plants" and that it promotes growth in some way.

Rodney

Is this an advertisement?

That was my first thought but I didn't want to label it as such without hearing back from the OP.

Rodney

Nope, not an advertiser. Yes, it is a bit expensive, but you just spray a very fine mist. The stuff was invented for "Pot" growers, hence the cost. We got ahold of it from a "licensed" medical grower, neighbor. We tried it because of his success, the first spray bottle was a gift, and it was OMRI listed, per the website. We did all of last year and the up until this June 1 on one ounce. We used it on our whole garden and the 20 tree apple / pear orchard. This forum is for tomatoes so that is what I concentrated on. We saw similar success on our peppers and no bug damage on the apples. The biggest success was on the tomatoes though.

Oh, and where can you buy ~20 bushels of organic paste tomatoes for $56??? I paid $58 but still....

Interesting.

rgreen48(7a) Is this an advertisement? Nah. tl;dr.

Spammer. Snake Oil salesman. Atomic Grow testimonials situation. First time post. Includes website in post against forum rules. Acts innocent but has underlying competitive sarcastic tone in replies. Some advice from Florida not to have the wool pulled over your eyes from products that suck (your hard earned money and effort in your wallet, at least)

Can we Rely on SOS when our Plants are in Trouble? (Snake Oil Science) page 17

"Warning signs that a product may be a “snake oil” include

(1) sales language that states or implies “Trust us, we know what we are doing”,

(2) the impossibility to know what is in the product under the pretext of “old proven secret recipe”,

(3) the abundant use of invented terms (technobabble), obscure jargon, or trademarked terms that confuse rather than explain,

(4) claims of “revolutionary breakthrough”, or

(5) most important, unsubstantiated claims.

So if the warning signs are so easily recognizable, how did “snake oils” get associated with agriculture and vegetable production? Some reasons may include

(1) the perennial attractiveness of what is “new” and “improved”, even at the expense of proven efficiency;

(2) failure of proven practices that trigger an immediate and desperate search for alternatives;

(3) decision based on emotions rather than on facts; and,

(4) the fear of a customer to show ignorance by not understanding an obscure, complex lingo used to describe a product and its benefits.

Clearly, the best remedy against disappointment is information and education."

Cheers

PC

Well said PC :)

Linda

Wow, tough forum. Sorry about the link fail! Not a salesman of any type. I'm a plastics engineer, look me up on LinkedIn. Bowdie Isanhart. I'm an engineer first and home gardener second. I was just looking for forums to help with our garden yield and wanted to post something that we were very successful with. After several years of using off the shelf stuff from Lowes and the local garden shop with not a lot of success we were thrilled with this stuff and wanted to share. Thats all. PC needs an attitude adjustment and new outlook on life, imho.

The good thing about forums such as these is the opportunity to share what works for us, and learning what works for others. I know for myself, being poorer than the dirt I grow tomatoes in, I enjoy finding ways to not spend any money at all. If free isn't an option, then the money spent should be an investment. This year I was able to invest in another full roll of CRW. That's a big deal, but definitely will give me a long term return.

As far as fertilizer - which I guess is what the OP is, I'm still working through the bag of 6-10-10 I got for free when cleaning out someone's shed. I haven't ever lost a plant at transplant, only pot up twice, use liquid fertilizer that I make myself, and don't even spray for disease... I get fairly good yields, so I can't complain.

The scientific approach would be to have two identical beds. Use this stuff on one of them, and not the other. See what happens. Comparing performance across different years simply isn't credible. My six year old started eating Fritos, and now, a year later, he's incredibly well behaved and smart. I get different things happening in my garden each year when I do pretty much the same gardening. So do that experiment, and post some pictures.

But yes, hardly anyone ever does that.

daninthedirt(Cent TX; HZ10, Sunset z30, USDA z8a) ''... Comparing performance across different years simply isn't credible....'' idem

those first posts are telling.....

Just read the reviews on it on Amazon. It's supposed to be a fertilizer/growth enhancer AND get rid of mites, mildew, and gnats! LOL. I have this wonderful bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Please PM me!

Website says

"Organibliss™ is a highly concentrated liquid made primarily from pure Neem extract that mixes with water to become a foliar spray."

You can buy much bigger bottles of Neem many places for a lot less money. Plus it talks like this product is the only alternative available to growers other than the evil synthetic chemicals one must use otherwise. Seriously???

As any experienced organic gardener can tell you, there are numerous other organic, ORMI approved, nutrient, fungal, and pest control sources available with well proven and documented track records; also for much less money.

Dave

Oh, that website is fun. "Bioadaptive supplementation", LOL. "Limonoids and terpenoids"? *snort!* Oh, goodness, the language is so scientific that I'm going to get confused and not realize that there are sources of these classes of compounds that are a fraction of the Organobliss price of $56/ounce! I have been totally wowed by all the fancy terminology such that that the wild claims about a mere misting of a liquid containing these compounds having such a dramatic effect on not just plant growth and productivity, not just pests, and not just disease, but ALL of these things do not appear at all suspect!

"...Limonoids and terpenoids

LOL GB - all it needs to add is flavonoids.

I fear the OP has been bamboozled.

Dave

Dave wrote from website: Organibliss™is a highly concentrated liquid made primarily from pure Neem extract that mixes with water to become a foliar spray."

Yes. This sums the secret product up^^^.

The OP claims to be Bowdie who aspires to be in the same circles as the founder of the O-bliss company, both working out of Midland, Michigan with chambers of commerce and entrepreneurial activities to bring jobs to Midland.

Jim, the owner of O-bliss being shilled is probably at retirement age and O-bliss was his attempt to get into the weed market and its high margins. He's not a scientist nor does he understand his product, just an MBA type. Mainly a Midland marketeer. He has a lot in common with Bowdie Joe's father who teaches marketing too.

The OP claims to be Bowdie Joe. Bodie Joe in fact is a mechanical engineer turned sales engineer who tried very hard to become an entrepreneur in Arkansas but failed and returned to Michigan. He worked a bit with Dow, as did Jim, and Jim meanwhile opened O-bliss.

Some University types were involved in Neem tree extracts which they advertised as an "obscure west African tree" that these were commercializing for farming with the company Gantec which they formed.

Jim made a deal with the guys at Gantec to sell small retail amounts for exorbitant prices to marijuana growers. Both companies opened offices in a shared office space sponsored by Midland public organizations and Dow, etc. So was born O-bliss. Jim tried to crowdfund his effort utilizing his MBA skills but essentially failed and the company languishes.

Bowdie Joe meanwhile does his best to rub elbows networking in the entrepreneurial community in Midland and even mentors marketing and business development strategies for entrepreneurs for CMURC, which is conveniently a sponsor of the shared office space "give me a business address center" where both Gantec and O-bliss have rented offices. The center is actually quite small, probably about 20 tenants, though I haven't looked it up, maybe less ... really a great attempt in Midland to try to create jobs.

Therefore, the OP's actions appear to be those of a dishonest shill to me. Bringing business to Midland is honorable in Midland, networking with entrepreneurial marketeers like Jim who is well established at the craft, is good for personal development, but shilling without disclosure a product on a public forum to attract the gullible, or so you thought, was a bad idea. Just like the failed venture in Little Rock...

Just like the marijuana growers sent Jim and his scam price-gouging few ounce $100 Neem extract targeting the gullible sent him packing, you should enjoy the same. Now you further cheapen his brand. Boy, he's gonna be real happy with you Bowdie.

If you want to make big bucks with exotic secret egghead Neem tree extract get a grant from the government while you still can. Maybe USAID still has deep pockets?

If you wish to participate in the forum, show us pictures of your tomato plants and 35 pound harvests. That would be a very positive contribution. Or give us links to Jim's claimed studies by local universities. That would be interesting as long as they are independently peer reviewed. Just don't be a shill.

Cheers

PC

Well damn. Seems I missed quite a bit while I was away. lol

Bowdiei- Here's a piece of marketing advice. When trying to hock an overpriced miracle-type gardening product a gardening forum is not the place to do it. You want it to sell, go over to Facebook. Some of those people will believe anything.

Rodney

Yep, being poor can be a saving grace. It forces one to make do, and is a strong protection against unnecessary expenditures. The way I figure it, tomato plants have doing what tomato plants do for a very long time... mostly, we just have to let them.

Do the various universities name-dropped as performing alleged field trials know that Organibliss is using them to create credibility? Where are the links to the methods and results from these trials? I'm not saying they all have to be published journal papers. Just a record of them on the institutions' websites would do. What would happen if I were to contact these institutions and ask them for information about these trials?

Had to pull them out of archive. Here is the June 1 photo of the planting. These are almost all amish paste. This is roughly 2 weeks after field transplant.

This is two months later, August 1, 2016, foliar spray every other week. Plants are still blooming and loaded with fruit. Harvest started mid-August

Photo of me on August 1st 2016, for the research busy PC, the photos match and you can look up on google earth to see the garden, it is 1/4 mile NE of my house, inside my in-laws multi fence pasture (deer control). Plants are almost 3' high. I am 6'1" but PC knew that. FYI, the Little Rock company was R&D related, not marketing, to the patent of the same time frame, gotta have a LLC to legitimately right off development costs.

Those look like my tomatoes, and I don't use the stuff.

gorbelly, IDK. I don't work for Organoblis nor do it own it. Yes, I am in the same geographical area. I did not do nearly as much research as some on this forum, nor do I have the time. I was given one sample, liked it, then bought my own. Thats all I was doing was giving my story. I am sorry I disrupted this group. We don't have a massive garden area with good soil, yes, lots of acres, but most of it is pH <5 We didn't do a controlled study, just comparison from year to year. Hard to justify growing plants that don't look as good, when you have limited sq feet and and plants. I'm not an ag company / nor a university so scientific studies can be left to others. If I run into "Jim" I will tell him to do studies and post them.

Daninthe dirt - I am in zone 5 and have sandy acidic soil. Wish I didn't have to use anything.

I know that sometimes details get lost so I don't mean to sound accusatory - in fact I thank you for posting images - but that second photo with the description of '2 months later' is not of Amish Paste. There are 2 basic shapes of Amish Paste, and neither is symmetrically round.

Those look good, but that looks more like celebrity, or one of the many round, vigorous hybrids.

Just in case you might be interested:

15 oz. of Neem for $11

32 oz. for $36

16 oz. pre-diluted $9.97

rgreen: that second photo with the description of '2 months later' is not of Amish Paste

Amish paste also is a wispy foliage type. The plant in that photo is clearly not a wispy type. So it's not a case of environmental conditions producing atypical fruit shape.

"Amish paste also is a wispy foliage type. The plant in that photo is
clearly not a wispy type. So it's not a case of environmental conditions
producing atypical fruit shape."

Agreed.

"I am sorry I disrupted this group."

bowdiei, don't sweat it. If you meant well, then brush it off and hang in there. It's just that there are so many sites where misinformation, gardening myths, and advertisers abound that many of us enjoy the opportunity of sharing good, proven, accredited information in a relatively safe atmosphere.

Are there better sites? Meh... maybe, but Houzz/GardenWeb is open to everyone. There are a few who post here who have so much experience it's mind blowing. So, if you want to learn some good techniques, share your experiences, or even set up a simple controlled experiment where you show a sample of some plants grown with that product, along side plants without it - all other factors being equal - trust me, people would pay attention to your progress. You could even try it with some of the cheaper supplies that have the same basic ingredients to see if the results are close enough to the higher priced product.

Don't think of it as a disruption... maybe just running the gauntlet lol.

I don't work for Organoblis nor do it own it. Yes, I am in the same
geographical area ... If I run into "Jim" I will tell him to
do studies and post them.

You are so busted Bowdie!

Nobody said you "work" for them. You know better with your business development and entrepreneurial activities in Midland than to say something like that unless you are being evasive.

Not only are you in the same geographical area, you are also directly linked to Jim Kostrava, Organibliss owner and CEO, through your mentoring program which sponsors his office center, in addition to the other entrepreneurial things during and after your time at Dow.

Rather than being evasive by putting "Jim" in quotes, and say you were "given" your first Organibliss by "someone", why not be straightforward and tell us if you know Jim Kostrava, Organibliss CEO and owner.. Either you do or you don't. The implication from your post is this product fell into your hands out of the blue. Being given a product and not disclosing the circumstance of why you were given the product further supports that you are being a shill. Look at Amazon, when people get free products for example, they must disclose as this tends to create inflated ratings.

Nice tomato plants ... certainly don't appear to be 35 pounds per plant. But I do like them :-) The picture of you is great. In all my time growing I've never taken a picture of my plants with my hands on my hips admiring them! I have to do that some time!

Cheers

PC