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Shrub ID needed please.

9 years ago

I found this shrub growing at the corner of our house. The day lilies have taken over and I'm wanting to transplant it to it's own area. But I need to know what it is and when to try a transplant. It has opposite leaves with serrated edges.






Comments (28)

  • 9 years ago

    Maybe a spirea?

    User thanked Logan L Johnson
  • 9 years ago

    Most Spirea, have alternate leaves.

  • 9 years ago

    My mock orange looks a bit like that.

  • 9 years ago

    Similar indeed. The periphery looks a bit more jagged and new branches more brown. And this is zone 3 but I suppose possible.

  • 9 years ago

    'Hydrangea paniculata'

    Bingo!

    I had thought of Hydrangea earlier but there were so many kinds, all with different leaves, I got confused. Zone 3 and according to my better half, this town is full of them.

    Worth rescuing from the day lilies because I don't like where it's located anyways.

    pennlake have anything to do with Penn Ave and Lake street?

    Thanks!

  • 9 years ago

    It will likely be too large for where it is positioned also, so moving it is a good idea.

    User thanked NHBabs z4b-5a NH
  • 9 years ago

    Yes, it's only about 1ft from the foundation. Probably better to give it some air all the way around?

    I saw it the first year we moved here (5 years ago) but didn't know what it was. I even cut it off the first summer thinking of it as a weed. Too much shade where it's at also.

    Seems like it has the will to live and I think I can find a much better place now that I have all the trees planted. Sounds like the dormant period this fall is the best time to attempt a transplant so I have time to think about it. :-)

  • 9 years ago

    It's a lake in Bloomington.

    User thanked pennlake
  • 9 years ago

    In your zone, full sun is good, but you might want to give it some shelter from the wind. Size varies a lot for this species depending on cultivar, so plant accordingly. Once you've seen blooms you may be better able to estimate size. Some of the older types can get to be 15' or so, but many of the new ones are sized for modern tastes so get only to 6' or even smaller. I would do the transplant while the soil is still warm this fall rather than actually waiting for leaf drop, and mulch well to keep the soil as warm as possible to encourage root growth. Water as needed this fall and next spring and summer, and then it should be fine unless you have drought conditions.

    User thanked NHBabs z4b-5a NH
  • 9 years ago

    Thanks! What type of roots do these have? Can I bare root it to weed out the lilies? Or are the roots best left with a root ball?

  • 9 years ago

    I haven't transplanted one, so I don't know how they do bare-root specifically, but IME they are tough. I do find that the daylilies are relatively easy to remove in my sandy loam since the roots are connected and relatively shallow. I don't know about your soil. I think it would be OK either way as long as it is early enough for them to have several weeks of root-growing time.

  • 9 years ago

    My soil is pretty sandy and washes easily with water.

    I'll start taking lilies out little by little so by the time I dig, there will be less to contend with.

    The way it sounds I can probably do this as soon as the branches fully harden off. Probably middle of August or so, by then the days shorten, nights cool and rain chances increase. The ground usually doesn't freeze here until sometime in November.

  • 9 years ago
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    Did some weeding this afternoon. Looks like it was a fairly good sized plant at one time. All soft, light, rotted wood I can break it off with my hand. I'm sure the builders cut it off to make room when they were rebuilding the house.

    Was only 8" from the basement wall so no doubt almost touching the cement foundation, alkaline? And too much shade on the east end, north corner of the house. Might as well let it photosynthesize for a couple of months. Maybe get a glimpse of a flower or two?


  • 9 years ago

    Will transplant well, but best to do when it's dormant this fall.

    User thanked Curly Roars
  • 9 years ago

    'Maybe get a glimpse of a flower or two?'

    Here it is. Solitary bloom on one of the branches. The leaves are starting to turn color. I should probably still wait until the end of the month? Or would September be better?


  • 9 years ago

    Moved the Hydrangea today. Temps have been in the low 70's for a week and low 50's at night. Same forecast for the next 10 days with T Storms possible. Thought about waiting longer but have some personal issues for the next 2 months to deal with so figured I better get it done now.

    The thing was a virtual stump with a couple of large tap roots which surprised me bc all the vids I watched showed spaghetti roots but apparently those were different kinds of Hydrangeas. I ended up damaging both even though I dug extra deep so cut them off flush to the bottom of the root ball. Made it easier to plant anyways.

    About time I got all the lily roots taken out of the root ball, I basically had the thing bare rooted. It was a large stump with lots of roots so positioned it in the hole and started back filling.
    I watered every few inches of dirt that I layered into the hole to make sure dirt got washed in all around the heavy woody structure. I got it a little high in the ground so had to hill the site but it looks good. I'll just have to water it good and often.

    It's on the spindly side. Any suggestions on pruning? Timing?

    I went to the local nursery because I couldn't find mulch anywhere in town and while I was there, I saw some Annabelle Hydrangeas. The wife's been asking for one so I got a small 'end of season deal' on this one and put it in the front yard.

    Now to hope for a nice long Fall and lots of new roots to form. :-)


  • 9 years ago

    Gorgeous root ball on that thing. I would imagine that next year you are going to see excellent growth, especially if it's in a spot to get more sun.


    Anyone is free to correct me here, but if I were in your position I would do no pruning whatsoever. If it's in a spot with more sun than it had, you should see it fill out nicely next season as latent buds are stimulated to grow.

    User thanked User
  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    It will get full sun until some of the trees nearby get some size to them, which will take a while. Even then it should get some morning, midday and afternoon sun as the tree shadows pass by. This is the best picture I have to show position. It's planted about 6 feet from the white petunias in the right side of the picture.

  • 9 years ago

    Looks like a great job with the transplanting! Once settled in it won't need much if any water IME, but keep it watered this fall right up to freeze, and next season if you have a dry period.

    I also wouldn't prune for at least a year just to let it get settled and to have as many branches and leaves as possible going into this coming season. Early spring of 2019 before buds start opening, feel free to prune down to just above a branch or bud and it will send out more branches from each.

    With the somewhat lacy bloom and pinkish stem color, you might have a Quickfire, but I would like to see more blooms to be sure. August seems really late for a Quickfire.

    IME Annabelle does best with some afternoon shade, but with your more northern location, as long as it has good moisture it should be OK. Just keep an eye on it and if it seems like the blooms fade quickly and the leaves droop in the afternoon, either give it more shade or a lot more water. In my garden it suckers vigorously, so if you don't want a large thicket of Annabelle, keep the suckers ripped out.

    User thanked NHBabs z4b-5a NH
  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thanks! My cemetery style plantings are the result of making use of opportunities to acquire trees and shrubs with no predetermined plan. :-) But I think I'm achieving what I want overall even though it caused me to move a couple of the plantings.

    Thanks for the pruning advice.

    The bloom looked more developed a couple days before I dug it out.


    It's hard to plan with so few large trees to work with. I located the Annabelle out away from the house because if I would've put it in the river rock border in the front, that generally only gets a few hours of early morning then a few before sunset and I wanted to make sure it had enough sun to bloom profusely.

    Our hot season is short up here and hot spells along with hot nights are not frequent. I don't mind watering as it's part of living where the soil is sand with silt and a few percent of clay in various areas. It's just a 'yard size' by most standards.

    Here is where the Annabelle is located east side of the driveway. The trees are on the North side so even when the increase in size there should still be sun albeit they will give morning and afternoon shadows someday. The summer sun rises above the maroon house in the upper left side of the picture. Almost directly in the northeast.

  • 8 years ago

    So far so good! New sprouts coming from the ground and along the stalks. I took a little off the left hand stalk as it was getting so heavy and starting to bend to the ground. Otherwise, just wait and see. :-)

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Oh ya, the little 'Annabelle' came back strong with multiple shoots, so looks fuller. Not sure if it will flower this year or not.

  • 8 years ago

    Update: Well, nothing spectacular but looks like about 8 blooms. Not at all large ones. But the shrub made great progress in growth and only had one bloom before I moved it. So I'll call this a success. :-)



  • 8 years ago

    The blooms didn't change to pinkish but stayed white. So I'm thinking with the later in August blooms and white flowers, it's just a plain old Hydrangea paniculata 'Grandiflora' of other older style PG. Looks a whole lot better than when it was beside the house. Next year I'll prune it up because the branches got so heavy and fell over. But it had lots of leaves to build nutrition for the roots for next year so progress at least. :-)


  • 8 years ago

    Well, I'll be! There is a little 'pinkish' coloring starting around the outsides of the blooms. :?

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    This year the Hydrangea bloomed profusely with bud beginning to show around late July and full bloom by middle of August. The blooms lasted quite a while and now are turning a pinkish color and are beginning to dry out some. The stems look more brown than pink.

    Can anyone make a final call on this one?

    ETA: If not I'm going with H. paniculata 'Grandifloria'. If someone asks... :-)

  • 6 years ago

    The flowers are hanging in there and have turned wonderfully pink. :-)


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