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Need help choosing unique fruits/berries for zone 6A

9 years ago

Hello,
My garden currently consists of unique fruits including:
Red Currants:
1 Perfection currant
1 Jonkheer Van Tets currant
1 Rovada currant
Black Currants:
1 Consort currant
1 Crandall currant
1 Ben Lomond currant
1 Westwick currant
1 Risager currant
1 Ben Sarek currant
1 Ben More currant
White Currants:
1 Imperial currant
1 Blanca currant
Pink Currants:
Pink Champagne currant
Gooseberries:
1 Hinnomaki Red gooseberry
1 Tixia gooseberry
Jostaberry:
1 Black Jostaberry
Roses:
Rosa Rugosa Alba
Arctic Raspberry:
3 Anna
3 Valentina
Musk Strawberry:
4 Capron
2 Russian males
Highbush Cranberry:
1 American Highbush Cranberry
Maypop (Passiflora Incarnata):
4 Maypop vines
Honeyberries:
1 Indigo Gem
1 Indigo Treat
1 Tundra Edible
1 Blue Pacific
1 Blue Moon
1 Blue Velvet
Hardy Kiwi:
2 Issai
1 September Sun Kolomikta
1 Arctic Beauty male
Wineberries:
4 Wineberry
Cherry Bushes:
4 Nanking
1 Joel
1 Joy
Serviceberry:
3 Apple Serviceberry
Saskatoon Berry:
8 Saskatoon Berry (non-cultivar)
Blueberry:
Pink Lemonade
Red Raspberry:
4 Heritage
1 Caroline
1 Anne Gold
1 Boyne
1 BP1
1 Joan J
1 Prelude
1 Nova
1 Latham
1 Killarney
Black Raspberry:
Niwot
Bristol
Blackberry:
1 Chester
1 Ouachita
1 Prime Ark
1 Triple Crown
Grapes:
11 Catawba
10 Niagara
15 Concord
I am thinking about adding more unique edible for next year. Does anyone have any recommendations? I am considering the following:
Montmorency cherry
Bubblegum Plum and Superior plum pollinator combination
Cornelian Cherry Tree
Seaberry Tree
Blueberry Bushes (I know not unique or rare but I love blueberries)
Pawpaw tree
Aronia
Currant Bush
Black Velvet Gooseberry Bush
Salmonberry
Thimbleberry
Lingonberry
Goumi
Elderberry Tree
Cultivar Saskatoon Blueberry
Autumn Olive
Juliet cherry bush (and other romance series cherries)
Chernika
Evergreen Huckleberry
Wild Black Cap Raspberry
Oregon Grape
Salal
Purple and Green Asparagus
Please help! I'm trying to research, but there is only so much information available online about these rare edible plants. I have been using Google, Youtube, and this forum but I haven't found the personal advice I need to make a decision. If there is a unique vegetable that you find growing please let me know also. I would like to try to grow blue, purple, and red corn. Also fiddlehead fern sounds interesting almost like asparagus.

Comments (38)

  • 9 years ago

    For experienced edible gardeners they are not unique. However, your average joe has know idea what these plants are. I was looking for personal experience stories. Like " I was growing honeyberries in Indiana a similar climate to yours and I found the yield was not good and the flavor not special".

  • 9 years ago

    I'm not at all sure I share that opinion. Many gardeners on this and other forums discuss growing less common edibles like pawpaws, Cornelian cherry, goumi, autumn olive and aronia. Heck - you can find aronia juice in the grocery store!! And nothing uncommon about Montmorency cherries or plums.

    And elderberries, huckleberries, thimble and salmon berries, salal and oregon grape are all native plants and have been widely sampled and eaten by many beginning with the indigenous peoples. With the exception of the hucks, flavor is variable and generally not appealing unless cooked or prepared as a jam or jelly. Or wine.

    Mike Barrett thanked gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)
  • 9 years ago

    If you have one blueberry bush (pink lemonade), I would definitely recommend getting a second one to help with cross-pollination. Unless you're neighbors have a bunch of blueberry bushes, I think you'll find that your blueberry bush will produce better with a second pollinator; I started with one blueberry bush, and it did fine, but I have gotten much higher yields since getting it friends. If you're looking for something a little different from the highbush blueberries (Vaccinium corymbosum), you could also consider lowbush blueberries (Vaccinium angustifolium), since you seem to like variety.

    I will say that if you're considering Autumn Olive be sure that you can control it first. Around here it and the related Russian Olive are considered invasive species. If it is listed as invasive for your area as well, you may find it difficult to obtain due to local places not being allowed to sell invasive plants, and you should check rules about bringing it in.

    Also, for specific advice, you may want to be more specific than 6A; 6A covers a pretty wide swath that can have different growing conditions. Also, what do you have for expansion space? Soil conditions? What will be next to the new plant(s)?

    Mike Barrett thanked BlueberryBundtcake - 6a/5b MA
  • 9 years ago
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    Thanks my pink lemonade blueberry has been in the ground since last year and it's already huge. I was thinking the same thing. Another plant would help pollination even though it is listed as self pollinating. Thanks for the advice :)

  • 9 years ago
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    I live on the southside of Chicago by the way.

  • 9 years ago

    There aren't any laws against the plants I listed.

  • 9 years ago
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    I have a good amount of space left in my yard. I would say 500 square feet at least. The area is partially shaded with an Elm tree and mulberry tree. The soil is a fertile clay type soil. I can always add amendments (peat moss, sulfur, coco coir, etc) if I want to plant blueberries there. I'm planning on pruning the trees in the fall or spring so I can get full sun.

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    50 square feet, as in 5 by 10 feet? The required male/female seaberry alone would take that much space.

    Salal and Salmonberry are marginally edible.

    Mike Barrett thanked User
  • 9 years ago
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    Sorry I think I meant 500 square feet. Anyway I haven't measured but it's a large area I have for growing. Space for these plants isn't an issue. However, I'm more worried about having too much shade and thats why I will prune the trees. I know salal and salmonberry are not especially delicious but they can make a good filler plant for the large empty space and can tolerate some shade.

  • 9 years ago

    Anymore uncommon edible suggestions?

  • 9 years ago

    More people are interested in honey berry/ hascap saying it tastes good.

    I think you have little to no need for insecticide or fungicide so far. If you want to keep it that way, avoid growing cherries including the Romance series bush cherries for cherry leaf spot will be an issue. Also, with plum, you will have both diseases ( canker, brown rot, black knot) and pest (plum curculio, Oriental fruit moth ,etc.) to deal with.

    Mike Barrett thanked rphcfb14
  • 9 years ago
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    I don't mind spraying with copper or neem oil to take care of disease or pest problems. Thanks for your comment. I'll take that into consideration. I'm hoping to have some honeyberries next year :)

  • 9 years ago

    Bilberry might also be an interesting addition. I would expect it to have a more 'wild' blueberry flavor.

  • 9 years ago

    You have a long list, I don't know most of them. I am new to furit trees. I collected persimmon and honey jar Jujube trees this year. You might like them too.

    Mike Barrett thanked summersrhythm_z6a
  • 9 years ago

    I just started seriously gardening 2 years ago. I started with grapes and raspberries. I've expanded and I want to focus on fruits I cant buy in stores. Jujube sounds interesting but I'm scared it won't be hardy enough during a bad winter. Persimmon is also good but I think the only ones hardy enough here are American ones which I heard were bitter. Well, it says you're in zone 6a so maybe I'm just being a worry wort. It's weird that I live in the south Chicago suburbs and it's considered zone 6A. I guess Lake Michigan provides a microclimate for the area. I don't know why really only guessing.

  • 9 years ago

    Neem oil and copper won't stop cherry leaf spot or plum curculio and Orental fruit moths. It is best you look up Michigan State Extension services about cherry pests and diseases. It will not be as easy as growing things that you are used to. You are lucky that SWD, Spotted- winged dropsophila have not found your berries.

    Like the poster above mentioned, trouble free fruit trees are persimmon, jujube and pawpaw. All three have fruit that need acquired taste. Some people like them, some can't stand the taste or texture, or both. Of the three, jujube may be my favorite but it needs full sun esp.in your colder climate. You need to plant varieties that fruit early for your short growing season.

    Mike Barrett thanked rphcfb14
  • 9 years ago
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    If I decide to go with cherries or plums I'll definitely thoroughly research the diseases which plague these plants. It is much more appealing to have plants which are 'fuss-free'. I have researched paw paw for months and I can't wait to start a tree. Does anyone have experience with the cultivars? I have read conflicting reports. I might start with mango and sunflower. I'll take a closer look at persimmon and jujube now. I had no idea that it would grow well in my climate. Very cool!

  • 9 years ago

    Anyone have experience with evergreen huckleberry in zone 6a or 5?

  • 9 years ago
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    Try physalis alkekengi. I think they would be unique to your taste. Also bilberry would be a cool edible one. (Bog blueberry- vaccinium uliginosum). If you don't care about technicality then how about some conifers that produce 'berries'(they are actually cones) such as some yews, cephalotaxus harringtonia var. drupaceae, or even junipers like the eastern redcedar(juniperus virginiana) if you have the space for that

  • 9 years ago

    Evergreen hucks will not survive your winter in the ground. Only hardy to zone 7.

  • 9 years ago

    Gardengal48, do you think persimmon and jujube trees would survive in zone 5b?

  • 9 years ago

    Thanks for the info. I keep seeing conflicting reports of huckleberry hardiness. Gurneys has their hardiness at zone 5. Other places 6 and so on.

  • 9 years ago

    Taxus, and to a lesser extent the Physalis, would need extreme caution to prepare for eating. I wouldn't consider them worth the effort or risk.

    Have you considerd Medlar? Since your list is not alphabetical I may have missed it. Chaenomeles also produces a fruit suitable for jelly making.

    I'm impressed you intend to harvest that lot. It takes me well over an hour to pick over just my three black currants. And do you have plans for all the fruit? All your currants and gooseberries are common cultivars over here but largely used for cooking and preserving which is time consuming.

    The pruning will also take a lot time.

    Mike Barrett thanked floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK
  • 9 years ago
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    Hi,

    For black currants, get

    Titaniya

    Belarusskaya

    minau smuroj

    Black down

    For gooseberries also get

    Hinnomaki yellow and Jeanne, I dont have black velvet, but will try it too

    All cherries are good,I have Montmorency, but I read there are some sweeter ones like Balaton, I dont have it, but its on my list.

    I heard good things about Evans Bali cherrry. Member Konrad here has great stories and pictures on forum about it, I read with joy:)Mike, may I ask why are you only looking for something rare? You have everything that is not?

    Ground cherry Aunt Molly I grow as a veggy type kind of fruit, because its annual,

    I've grown it for few years, if you have not mulched space for it, it reseeds, tastes like a pineapple sort of, sweet and yummy. Im looking to get some solanum berries too, some are sweet.

    There are some good persimmon crosses between american and asian ones, like Rossiyanka, check them out on Ediblelandscaping, they claim they are hardy to zone 5., I'll be getting these, in my zone 5:)

    for plum I researched diseases, , but every state has its own, some very healthy are Mirabelle plums, check them out on Onegreenworld and Raintreenursery, I dont have them, but used to eat them back in Europe, they are good both raw and jams, they are on my list to get. Europian plums do well in clay soil.

    Oikotreecrops has plum called WildGooseplum , I got that one, its young , but healthy and tough as nails and should have decent fruit, grows more like a bush.

    good luck

  • 9 years ago

    I have considered medlar, but I don't think I can meet their light requirements in my part shade plot. Thanks.

  • 9 years ago

    I am just wondering since you already have a lot of furits, may be all you need now is to grow some beautiful, fragrant roses......

    Mike Barrett thanked summersrhythm_z6a
  • 9 years ago

    My wife loves roses but she doesn't want the small children or the pets getting into them. I have a fenced off area where I keep my raspberry bushes, gooseberries, and edible rugosa roses. Which type of rose do you recommend? I am running out of room the fenced off area. Do all roses have thorns?

  • 9 years ago

    I was saving that space for a seaberry tree.. But i can always do some more landscaping.

  • 9 years ago

    Partial shade? Forget about fruit trees. Without enough sun, they are not productive and may be more disease prone.

    It is not just diseases that you need to contend with, pests are even bigger issue. As long as you are aware what the problems you will be facing and prepared, you will be OK.

    in my experience, issues may take 3-5 years to show up.

    Mike Barrett thanked rphcfb14
  • 9 years ago

    What are some of the good shady shrubs/berries/bushes? I have arctic kiwi, wineberry, honeyberries, currants, gooseberries, musk strawberry, artic raspberry, highbush cranberry, maypop, and rugosa rose, and even some concord grape vines in a semi shade area and they are growing just fine. I was thinking of adding paw paw to that same spot since they need part shade when they are still young.

  • 9 years ago

    The saskatoons are also doing well there.

  • 9 years ago

    I will have full sun when i do some tree pruning and cutting. I'm planning on getting a gas or electric pole pruning saw. I might also buy a regular manual pole saw for weeklt/monthly upkeep. My old mulberry trees are extremely vigorous.

  • 9 years ago

    If you don't want thorns, forget the Seaberry. Plus the bushes are very large and spreading. And anyway children and pets won't come to much harm from rose bushes. A couple of scratches and they'll steer clear. There's more danger to kids inside your home than amongst the roses.

    My Medlar doesn't get a huge amount of sun,

    I'm still curious as to how you will process all these fruits. What's the plan for the rose hips, for example?

    Mike Barrett thanked floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK
  • 9 years ago

    I was always curious about medlar. Does it really taste like apple sauce when properly ripened? I will use my fruits fresh and juices, jams, and jellies mostly. All the plants are small now, but I hope i'll get good yields in the coming years. Rose hip makes delicious jam. I bought some rose hip jam from Croatia in the ethnic food section of my grocery store and it's amazing. I love rose hip jam on a english muffin with butter. MMM :) I have a big freezer so that helps. I like driving up to Michigan to pick grapes. Sometimes I get 10 5 gallon buckets full of delcious Niagara and Concord grapes for juice, fresh eating, and jelly. This year I might make wine as I've been researching it a lot lately.

  • 9 years ago

    My curiosity is stronger than my desire for no thorns (regarding sea berry) . Also, my wife is from Russia and sea berry is something she remembers about her motherland. I guess they are pretty astringent but healthful so she used them in her tea. It also has cosmetic uses, and the juice is supposed to be similar to orange juice. They are worth a try I guess.

  • 9 years ago

    Do some research into what goes into cleaning rose hips. I've made rose petal jelly, but rose hip jam has always struck me as even worse than preparing grape jam.