I use Cascade Fryer Boil Out in my Kitchenaid dishwasher. Good 'ole Phosphates clean remarkable well!

Jeff

I've been tempted to try Boil Out EON's ago. I got smitten with phosphate branding...with Bubble Bandit. I bought a 4 or 6 pack. Used it a couple times and it was NOWHERE close to Cascade Platinum or Quantum.

Granted, I will say the variable is Water, and my water may effect ones experience than the next guy. After 2-3 years of Bubble Bandit just sitting in the garage, I just tossed it out......

Miele will be releasing some stuff out of the industrial powder line for consumers.....that I will be trying in my speed demon dishwasher, but price/performance : Platinum or Quantum are no brainers, and easy to find stateside with no need to ~import~!

Seems to me since Cascade changed their pacs from 6 8 and 10 X to 10 12 and 15X cleaning power or whatever they call it, it tends to suds way too much, at least for me. For some reason they just can't leave anything along whether it's Tide or Cascade.

I use any of the cascade pacs and they all work great! Everything always comes out perfectly clean.

I have very hard water and get good results with Finish Quantum plus a tablespoon or so of STPP.

I add phosphate into any cheapo detergent. Lol. I went to find out why my plates were suddenly dirty...and took matters into my own hands.

Finish Quantum Max. Only thing that works for me, I don't even need an extra rinse aid. Although I have been meaning to give the new Miele Ultratabs a go to see how they work.

Finish Advanced powder works best for me. I found the powder to work just as well as packs and it’s much cheaper per load. I also use just 1 tablespoon/load with moderately hard water.

Somat 10 tabs are my fav, but Cascade Platinum pods are amazing too...and so easy to find. Anything Finish will etch my glasses and glassware (even the Finish that says etch protection).

For small loads, or lightly soiled loads that do not require a powerhouse detergent or amt. of detergent with a pod/tablet...I make a 50/50 mixture of Cascade powder and STPP. I used about a TBS (or less for small loads)...and this works soooooo well.

We have insanely soft water and I have a beloved and cherished Miele La Perla II dishwasher (10 years of daily use, sometimes 2x/day and it has never needed a part, service or repair).

Larsi, why cycle do you put them through.....my older Miele, I had a habitual habit of putting every load on P&P, as nothing was just coming clean - until I settled in on Platinum/Quantum. Nothings worse than running a 2 hr load and still have dirty dishes...P&P did get them clean at the expense of replacing certain everyday pieces as the extra heat did not play well with the glasses/dishware

Heh, I stopped playing DW chemist a looong time go. I figuered they have much higher technology over at Cascade/Somat/Finish to figure out the correct dilution.

OT, as you did say 10 yr old Perla. For the Wiki, which has just been ahhh-mazing in my book, the new units eject the door about 3 inches when it's done with the cycle, which helps even more in the overall dryness of both dishes and the DW itself.

I do feel water plays a huge role on ones experience with any soap so it's very mixed on results like I expected sofar on the responses !

@ a1an.....Pots & Pans cycle is a heavy hitter!! I use it when the load is tragic, but usually I use SensorWash (Automatic in Europe). When the load is bad, but not tragic, I will use Heavy Soil.

I think the favourite feature of my dishwasher, is at the end of the cycle, the littler robotic arms opens the dishwasher a few inches....it lets heat and any steam out and in the morning when I empty the dishwasher everything is bone dry and the inside of the machine always looks, smells and feels brand new and fresh!!

HEH, All I need in my life right now is a soap I can use with all cookware in the DW ;-)

I put hood grates, all stainless pot lids and encapsulated cookware....but anything that has a exposed *ply core*, where the alum. is exposed, it all get's hand washed these days. That is my biggest peeve. I miss how SO CLEAN AND SHINEY pots came out when I put them in the DW......

I am debating finding a less expensive 4-5 qt stainless, induction compatible sauce pan that can go in the dishwasher too. I wouldn't dare through my All-Clad in, but the Calphalon Tri-ply from Home Goods that I paid $10 for? You bet. I really dislike hand scrubbing the potato starch or green bean scum off of the All Clad 4 qt I have now!

Hi Julie -

I suppose a beater pan will suffice. Just depends on the application@hand and what performance you want out of it. Be careful with the Calphalon's.....there was a period in time, where even though it was a SS unit, the rivet was aluminum - aka, smaller rivet mass when cleaned in the DW.

Larsi -

I'm sure you already know this...but while it's stated as DW safe, it EATS away at the aluminum exposed core of *cladded* pots. The only cookware I put in my DW are my Demeyere ~encapsulated~ cookware..Lids are safe as it's all stainless.

The enameled on the LC is only on the inside..that top edge, the DW will make it lose it's seasoning and more prone to rust.

You can check and confirm this yourself if you were not aware...When you look at the side edge of the rim of you cladded pot, if you run your finger on it, it may feel slightly sharp as the outer/inner is stainless and the inner core (aluminum) might have slightly been etched/degraded away, so the SS is just minutely sharp due to the ~etched core~ .

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Whether or not this affects the overall performance of the pan, or the degradation is noticeable in ~my lifetime~ would be a different discussion to quander and debate I suppose.

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Makes sense ?

Indeed, I literally sucumb to hand washing the majority of my P&P, but I'm a cookware wh0re....Barkeepers Friend, etc, etc is not match to how clean and effortlessly clean pans came out when I used to , used to, being the very key word, clean them in the DW

I’m with @larsi! Everything goes in the dishwasher, except the crystal. Which I would if I could. I’ve had All-Clad for 20 some yrs and have been putting it in the DW for about as long. Still beautiful. I even put the Staub in the La Perla II, with great results using the newest Miele tabs on P/P. It’s the only tab I can really use in our soft water, everything else produces too many suds. For everyday, I either use larsi’s mixture or a half tab of Miele.

Beautiful, clean and shiney. Not in disagreement.

For those putting your P&P in your DW, are you doing this knowing the effects of what it is doing to your cookware..

Heh, I put my comment in the middle in brackets as there is a 2 sided sword to it I suppose

I have had Miele diskwashers for more then 15 years now and 4 different models, first from 81-82, second 2004 smae house, new house first 2008 and second same house 2017. The machine died with over 10000 hours use, it had heavy use. Now I have a middle of the line machne with the door opening and the quick powerwash witch I love and almost only use even with heavy soiled dishes.

Also had alot of trouble finding a ggod detegent that work with my very hard water with a bit of iron in it.

Since this machine I first used up my cascade platinum and now on the years suply of mieles new detergent witch I love but think is too expensive. I wash almost everything but 2 things: raw castiron skillets and nonstick cookware. Everything else go in the machine includeing crystal, silver, nice china, pots and pans, foodprocessor parts, blender, kitchenutensols.....

If very greasy I can use pots and pans witch is intensive on my machine as I am i Europe Sweden. But the new quick powerwash gets a full load of non rinsed dishes superclean in under or just over an hour and I were thinking of buying a miele semipro dishwasher.

But for fine china and crystal I do use a gel detergent from finish as they are the only ones that sell that here and also for p&p I can use it in the preewash compartment.

I have bad suds issues with Cascade (BOL) action pacs. The Complete pacs are fine. Right now I am using Cascade Complete powder mixed with 1 cup of STPP, which is about 15% STPP. The results are great, but all of our Tervis cups have coffee stains building up still. I'm considering using Quantum Max or something with bleach to clean them up a bit.

LOL. Oftentimes, when I'm contemplating just saving myself some extra work, I say to myself, lifes too short to me messing with hand washing these damm pots ....and the OCD in me, is saying, detergent will eat at the core. And the DW does indeed corrode the core, as I observed some older pieces that I used to religiously throw in the DW.

I forgot to mention the cookware. I have a cast iron pan that will never see the dishwasher of course, but all other cookery goes in the dishwasher. We have some s***** non stick pans that are ruined as the coating flakes right off if you look at it wrong, but they do fine in the dishwasher. Our stainless pans come out gleaming every time and have been washed for years without issues. We have T-Fal pots that are 7 years old and have no issues in the dishwasher. Generally I just coat the inside with oil before cooking to help the non stick.

I used to use Finish Quantum Powerball Max with my old c.2004 Bosch SHY66, and generally had good success. When we bought our current Miele Futura Lumen, I switched to the Miele tabs and have been very happy. Dishes are cleaner, dryer, and have less residue. Whether that's the new machine or the new tabs, I'm not sure. I typically run the Sanitize cycle (or others with a hot rinse and "Extra Drying") to maximize drying. Since loads are usually run overnight, I really don't care about how long the cycle lasts. In fact, I've never really even tried the shorter more normal cycles. Maybe I should just to see what I'm missing!

I use Finish tabs. In our previous house we had a Kenmore DW which cleaned better than any DW I had owned up to that point. I just moved into a brand new house with the TOL KitchenAid and it is cleaning just as well with the same Finish tabs we brought to TX from VA. I also wash just about everything in the DW save for cast iron and wood. I have been known to run fine china through with a little bit of powder or liquid DW detergent (Cascade) but I do prefer to do the good stuff by hand just in case. Two of my fine china plates got broken in the move, so nothing is forever. My partner bought All-Clad cookware for the new house and I am only washing those by hand, but most everything else will hit the DW.

They say a picture speaks a thousand words so here goes

I must be the only OCD nut who must be doing best practice...as DW does eat aluminum and other things.... Just for the fellow GW wiki. 2 similar pots. One is a AC 3 Ply - and you can see how the alum is slightly lower than the inner/outer SS core. Another is a 5Ply Dem, and it maybe has been in the dishwasher maybe twice in it's whole life, and it was probably just put in the DW as I was just too dang tired to handwash.

See how the non DW cleaned pan has it's core nice and flush

I use Finish Quantum Max in my 11 year old Perla---I guess that's what we are calling them now lol. For everyday use I use the Sensor cycle, for baked on cheese like potatoes au gratin I use the cheese cycle - can't beat the 23 minute heated prewash followed by the wash.

If I want detergent in the prewash I use Finish Advanced Powder. The powder does a pretty good job on everyday dishes too, but the capsules are a bit better on stuck on food and soil redeposit.

@a1an......SO, I think the problem is with ALL-CLAD stainless. I have maybe 2 pieces of All-Clad and the edges do not look as bad as your pic, but the edges does not look great.

BUT....my beloved Demeyere, Ruffoni and from France Cuisinart Stainless looks amazing and they are all pushing 10 years old, and get machine washed WEEKLY!!!

Here are pics of my Demeyere and French Cuisinart:

Heh. I have taken the laundry forum down one notch and made it the OCD cleaning forums. Deep down, those of us who hang our hat in here, are probably just cleaning freaks.

The AC piece in the pic of probably one of my older pieces - which def. saw DW action duty. Is your Demeyere the Atlantis series. Aka, the encapsulated pieces in my lineup are Dem. Atlantis series (where it's a copper core on the bottom) with a sealed encapsulated cap. I also have plenty of the 5 series as well, and I often reach for them, as they are more lighter than than Atlantis...

Anyhow, maybe it's a AC thing ? Dunno. I've given many of my AC away and just have a 2, 8 and 12. Most of my dailys are Demeyere as the Silvinox interior cleans so amazingly well - not that any of you fellow GW's would know, since none of you hand wash your pans <kid/jest/jab>

Demeyere Atlantis. My fav!!! But the French Cuisinart stainless pot, is NOT expensive at all...I think I paid like $30 in Germany for it. It gets washed 5-7x a week in the dishwasher and the edge looks great.

My All-Clad is the ONLY brand where the edge does not look great. I have sold, or given almost all of my All-Clad away. I really do not like it.

I LOVE that the Demeyere has NO interior rivets. Amazing for cleaning...hand or machine ;)

Oh MIELE ,

What THOU HAVE I done wrong....

Saved at least 6 Benjis by doing the repair on the washer. Maybe another $4000K if I did not even contemplate the repair...

And as Murphys law strikes, the dishwasher is broken. Too tired to diag tonight. I had to not only hand wash my pots but also the dishes ;-/

Paging Linus -

I can't seem to get more than 5 1/2 years on my Miele's and they probably see less action than the normal average....I digress.

Mind asking a question, as I'm looking at the unit with the Quickwash Cycle...

FWIW, I have the PG as well, and I use powder mainly because it's a really quick cycle - 23 min. I'll get around to testing tabs one day.

Anyhow, with your Quickwash, are you using powder or tabs ? In my personal opinion, at least here in the USA, I feel that tabs are just far superior in cleaning, and I'm going to say to some degree, R&D is better since this is where the market is. There are only 2 tabs I will use, and only use. Everything else is not worth the price of having dirty dishes after a load. Since most DW are 2Hr+ cycles. In your experience, does tabs fare well in the 1 Hr Cycle Quickwash ?

You guys will be so surprised that I’m still using 7th generation power plus liquid for most DW loads. i don’t have an expensive machine, just a whirlpool basic model from 2012. i do run extra dirty loads with cascade boil out, and run a cleaning cycle every couple months w lemishine booster powder

a1an sorry did not se you asked me something

I am useing tabs, first my suply of cascade platinum then the Miele tabs, I got 300 tabs with machine. Both I have to say are very good. Have tried so many different detergents and my glasses and cutlery looked dull and after useing the cascade platinum everything is so shiny and great looking.

I do feel that I want to use a gel with crystal as I feel the powder in the tabs might scratch the crystal.

I will not buy any other dishwasher besides Miele even though I had to replace my machine after 9 years and not 22 years as the on in my old house.

The quick powerwash is the best program I found as my sensor (automatik ) on my machine has skipped the first rince after the main wash and goes directly in finalrince with rinceaid.

Thanks Linus . Glad to hear tabs are working well in the quick wash cycle . My Miele rep told me awhile back that the stuff used in the DOS will be available in the consumer format trickling down as well - but this was moreso on the inquiry of what works best in our PG washer


Having a hard time deciding am I going Miele or Bosch on the replacement . Spending the premium and the ROI for me at least has not been stellar on the diamond series .

Thanks Linus . Glad to hear tabs are working well in the quick wash cycle . My Miele rep told me awhile back that the stuff used in the DOS will be available in the consumer format trickling down as well - but this was moreso on the inquiry of what works best in our PG washer


Having a hard time deciding am I going Miele or Bosch on the replacement . Spending the premium and the ROI for me at least has not been stellar on the diamond series . P-a

I can not understand what make your machine brake down so soon?!?

What is wrong with them?

My old machine were repaired 3 times. 2 were replacement of drainline due to mice and 3:e ballvalve under the filter started leaking and they found also that the watersoftner were loose and leaking but after tightning it it was fine.

As for Miele or Bosch you know what I would do. My neibours bought a high end Bosch and I hate the baskets and the top one is not great. My first dishwasher ever were a Bosch in 1997 but even that one was repaired 3 times.