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brick/stone advice

8 years ago

I know how a lot of you feel about mixing stone and brick but here goes. Our new home has stone accent on the front face. When we picked out our stone, the advisor at the store suggested a brick which complemented our stone and was the suggested match. The colours appeared to match well in the showroom but now that the brick has arrived on site, I am having doubts. There seems to be a lot of brown toned bricks in the mix. Should I be concerned or will it look fine once blended? What are your thoughts?

Here are the brick and stone samples....



This is how they are arranged on the house plan...



And these are the bricks on-site...



Comments (38)

  • 8 years ago

    Pick one or the other.

  • 8 years ago

    Noooooooo!

    You can mix brick and siding or stone and siding, but brick and stone are rarely a good mix.

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    No they don't go together at all. Like Sophie said, choose one or the other. Frankly I'd ditch the stone all together and just do the brick, as long as the brick is around all four sides of the house.

    If it's not, pick whatever is on the other 3 sides

    The stone, the brick and the shingles are one too many elements.

  • 8 years ago

    I like combinations, but not those together. Looking at the stone you picked, I immediately thought how I would choose a charcoal grey brick color. Not sure they make that.

    How do they look together in person?

  • 8 years ago

    I'm not feeling that combination either. I see what you mean about the browns in the brick.

    I live in a mid-90s house that has the typical red brick/gray stone on corners of the house, etc. thing going on and while I can live with it in a pre-existing house, I don't think that I'd ever choose to go there. Your house is an improvement in that at least there are big sections that are rock, whereas mine is woven into the brick in weird ways.

  • 8 years ago
    Here they are together
  • 8 years ago

    I would not mix that brick and stone together, I think you'll be disappointed once its installed. I've posted this blog post before, but think you may benefit from it as well:

    http://www.mariakillam.com/design-stone-exterior

  • 8 years ago

    It is just not a good contrast. I think you at least need a completely solid brick. Since the stone is already patterned/multitoned.

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Natural textured stone and manufactured brick are not normally harmonious partners, particularly when placed immediately adjacent to one another. When textured stone and brick do work well together: 1) The color of the stone and brick contrast with one another; and 2) The stone and brick are separated by something such as cement plaster or some other harmonious material.

    Of course, this is common and works well in older commercial and historical residential buildings, but is hardly ever a part of the design for a tract or custom home these days.

    For some reason, some builders may tend to think that combining stone and brick in a residence gives an "up scale" feeling. Or perhaps, they like the extra money for the cost of materials and labor which is required.

    As others have wisely said, pick one--stone or brick--and ditch the other.

    Good luck!

  • 8 years ago

    Too late to change our minds...bricklayers started today. I went trolling the local construction subdivisions and found a house with a similar scheme and I think it won't look as bad as I originally thought. The builder went out to the site and took a couple pics of the bricks in shade and sunlight and they actually look pretty uniform in colour. Hopefully I'll have a pic of a completed wall tomorrow. Here is the house I found with similar brick/stone combo.

  • 8 years ago

    No, still doesn't look good. Competing patterns with colors that don't complement each other. Imagine wearing plaid pants and a stripped shirt.

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    OK...clearly it's too late for this particular situation.

    But for others who may be looking at this thread and planning ahead, look at the photo above. Is there any real difference in appearance between the stone and the brick? What's the purpose or value in mixing two very different materials together when they are so similar in color, yet so disparate?

    Of course we know that many builders love to mix these two materials together, claim an upscale aesthetic and charge consumers accordingly.

    But if one Googles "historic stone and brick houses" it will quickly become apparent that historically houses were predominantly one material or the other, almost never can one find the competing materials we see in the photo above.

    The goal for good design should be complementary materials, not competing materials.

    I now sit awaiting the heavens to open and the wrath to descent upon my head.

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    What bothers me the most is that the stone doesn't go to the ground. While I don't love the mixing of the materials, at least see if they can put the stone to the ground so it looks like the stone is part of the foundation. I'm sorry it just looks odd. Sort of like when someone wears a pair of pants that are too short.

  • 8 years ago
    I respect your opinions and in hindsight we prob should have made a different decision in our materials but it is what is now. Stone/brick combos are very popular here and 90% of the new builds have it. Even our current house that was built in the 50’s has stone and brick together.
    And yes, our stone extends to ground level as well as wraps around the base of the porch unlike the sample pic.
  • 8 years ago

    I understand why you went with the brick stone combination. When 90% of new homes in your area use this combination, you do get used to seeing it and begin to like it. I like that the stone will extend to ground level. I think the second picture you showed of the two together blends more than the first. Enjoy your new home.

  • 8 years ago

    I think as long as it extends to the ground it will be ok

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    The combination of stone and brick may not be historically grounded. But it has become so common for the last half century that it has become the new standard of upmarket Neoeclectic architecture.

    Italianate home with stone and brick appropriately combined. Dixon, Ilinois 1855.

    ****
    Imagine wearing plaid pants and a stripped shirt.


  • 8 years ago

    I personally have nothing against a combination of stone and brick, however in general for future thread readers if you want to do this combination I think overall it looks better if it is combined so that it fits the structural elements so it looks like it would make sense. Ie not a half wall split with the elements as that is just telling me it is just a veneer.

    A foundation with stone and then the walls brick or vice versa would work for me. Same with a whole gable wall being stone and the rest brick or vice versa. Even corners being stone and then the rest of the walls being brick works for my eyes (I know this doesn't work for many here) as long as it is the full corner from bottom to top. However when the dividing line is like a wainscot it makes my brain feel it isn't structurally correct. I understand people get used to seeing it like that, but to me it is the same as having a rectangular facade with a door in the middle and then two windows on each side where these windows are not placed an even distance from the door on each side. My mind feels there needs to be symmetry.

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    get rid of the striped cap rail

    It very likely serves as a drip edge, so it can't be removed.

  • 8 years ago
    @lyfia..I get what your saying and in hindsight we prob should have went with a full wall of stone instead. I kind of like the ledge in between the brick and stone cause it separates the two. I think if it was just blended without it, it would look weird? Plus the pillars on the front porch will be wrapped in stone to the same height.
  • 8 years ago
    Not sure what happened to my last comment...
    @worthy...what is the “striped cap”? Is that the ledge in between?
    @sophie...sorry for my comment. I’m feeling a bit testy these days with all the house stress. I know you’re just trying to give advice but at this point we’re too far along to change much.
    This board really needs an edit or delete feature
  • 8 years ago

    “striped cap”

    Not my term!

    It's actually the white stone (or concrete) between the veneer brick and stone. There is typically a drip edge--a recess--underneath the projection.

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    Make it blend in if it has to stay. Dark. Not light. It just shouts. If any of the material matched it, it would be fine.

  • 8 years ago

    Agree w/ above.

    1 - Be consistent on ALL sides. There's nothing that cheapens a house like an expensive facade and cheap siding everywhere else. Along with disco and other things, this was a bad 1980's idea. Fortunately it's dying out.

    2 - Materials need to make sense. What is the story behind them? Very rarely can more than two materials look correct and even two is often one too many without a good architect/designer. Three? There is no reason for 4' of one material and then another on top of that and even worse when it's only on the front and not all sides.

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    even worse when it's only on the front and not all sides

    My only caveat would be on tight city lots where the sides of the home are not particularly visible to passersby.But at least the front materials should wrap around a few feet.

    Of course, the predominant aesthetic of North American Neo-eclectic architecture features multiple veneers on multiple flat planes. No different than painting rooms in different colours.


  • 8 years ago

    The Italianate photo that @Worthy posted is correct. It has a story behind it. The stone is the foundation and water-table. The brick is the structure. That makes sense. There's a reason for it.

  • 8 years ago
    Here are the side elevations if it makes any difference
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    It's quite hard to see how they work together in a show room. We decided on stone and brick despite other's saying not to combine the two and our house turned out well in my opinion.


    Although you have to ensure that it works well together, which is harder said than done.

  • 8 years ago
    @tdothouse...finally a fellow Canuck that doesn’t think I’m crazy. Think it must be a Canadian thing. The guy at the brick store assured us that this was the suggested match from the manufacturer. Both the brick and stone are Permacon brand. I just have to have faith that he was correct. At any rate...it is too late to change anything at this point so I’ll just have to wait and see.
  • PRO
    8 years ago

    "...The guy at the brick store assured us that this was the suggested match from the manufacturer..."

    I think I see the problem...

  • 8 years ago
    Oh for God’s sake...he sells bricks all day long. I’m pretty sure the builders wouldn’t keep sending customers his way if he made crap selections. I’m done defending myself from all you armchair architects on this board. If I could delete this damn thread I would. The only people I have to please are myself and my husband who will be the ones living in our new house.
  • 8 years ago

    Just an update of how our brick/stone combination turned out. Was really worried after all the negative comments on this post but we are quite pleased with the end result. I know a lot of you are still against the combination of the 2 materials but I'm happy with the way it looks.

  • 8 years ago

    Thank you Diane....closing date set for Feb. 23 :)

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Looks good. I think it works because the colors are similar, and the texture/pattern is the differentiation.

  • 8 years ago
    I love stone and brick mixed together. It’s really becoming popular in my area!!
  • 8 years ago
    Thanks Rolling...here is the finished product.
  • 8 years ago

    Looks great