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Can you help me figure out where I am going wrong?

8 years ago

Hi all,

So I have some issues with a few bulbs and because it is with more than one, I feel the problem must be with my care.

#1

This bulb appears to have the brown papery tunic forming underneath a layer of green tissue. I noticed the color was "off" on a spot and when I touched it, it felt "loose".I saw the brown spot underneath so I peeled away a bit to discover this layer forming underneath.


#2 This bulb has a history of going "mushy". The leaves will grow and then I will notice the bright green outer layer will begin to look a bit "muddy" in color and it develops these soft and mushy bruised areas although it has not been changed in position nor has anything fallen on, or struck it to explain a bruise.


Bulb #1 is dormant and bulb #2 is just waking from dormancy. I brought them inside and they have been just sleeping at about 23 C since November. They have not been outside in the cold so these spots cannot be caused by frostbite. I have not been watering them because I didn't want to cause rot issues.


Am I too worried or am I rightfully alarmed?





#2





The pots are plastic, but the have open/slats on the bottom and they stand off the base to allow for some air circulation.

I pot in a mixture of perlite, fired clay pellets, bark, and some coconut husk. They grew well during the summer with high humidity and frequent watering so it leads me to think that rot from too much moisture is the issue.


I would love to hear your advice.


Thanks in advance,


Comments (21)

  • 8 years ago

    Here are the pot bottoms

  • 8 years ago

    Nothing to offer in terms of ideas but I am watching this thread as one of my bulbs is showing what I think is rot at the base!

  • 8 years ago
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    Hi Joey,

    Some of mine did the same thing, but I think they'll be fine. I would just cut back on watering and make sure it's in a warm and sunny spot. What I have done in the past and if rot is confirmed, I un-pot it, trim away the rotted section, dust it with fungicide/rooting powder and let it dry for a few days. To be sure it stays relatively dry, I set it in a pot of 50/50 perlite/vermiculite until new roots start showing. If you have clear beverage cups (Donna's Dunkin Donuts iced coffee cups) you'll be able to see the rooting progress easier. This has worked for me in the past and I'm sure there are other much more experienced growers out there that can hopefully help.

    lokai99 thanked Fred Biasella
  • 8 years ago

    Thanks Jody, Fred, and Joy. For now, I am watching and waiting. If there seems to be any progression, I will unpot and treat. I do have plastic cups from a local café. Jody made a good point. It may be that there is too much moisture even if I am convincing myself there isn't.

  • 8 years ago
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    Yes Joey, make sure that you stop watering it until it recovers! It is so difficult not to overwater them, I know :-)

    I think the brown layers are not a problem if they are dry. I've had this from time to time too. Sometimes you can find the rest of a stalk that died there.

    I had a severe case of rotting two days ago on my one and only Exotica bulb I was trying to save. It was on a heating pad and growing roots and a new leave when I noticed some rot on one side. The poor bulb was rotting from inside, the green tissue was dissolving and I could even smell the rot. It was really disgusting! I've never had something like this before.

    That's all what is left of that poor bulb. It will get hot water treatment. I haven't seen any mites but I want to be sure. After this I will try to get some bulblets of it because I fear I cannot save the bulb. What do you think?

    Anja

  • 8 years ago

    Oh Anja, that poor bulb!! I think the best you can hope for is an offset or two but then again, you've got those healthy roots so who knows!! I sure do hope that we can find Exotica again and not end up with mislabels like I got 2 years in a row.

    Good luck with this little project!! ;-))

  • 8 years ago

    Anja,

    Why is it always that the ones you like the most or worst yet, not available anymore...that rot????? Good luck with yours, I hope it recovers and I have very high confidence in your recovery skills :-))))

    Fred

  • 8 years ago

    Thank you, donna and Fred, this luck is needed...

  • 8 years ago

    Fred, I think the ones we worry about are the ones we over water, over fertilize and over everythng ! Jody

  • 8 years ago
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    Ain't it the truth??????

  • 8 years ago

    Anja, insert this bad bulb to perlite or vermikulite. Insert to this soil only basal plate with roots. Can you get Previcur energy in your country? If yes, use this solution (spraying) as prevention for mold.

    The classic substrate will not be good - bulb will be rot and eventually die.

    Carefully with irrigation, rather less. Good luck.

  • 8 years ago

    Good luck, Anja! If it is possible, I am sure it will be you who can!

  • 8 years ago

    As pavel, I will advise you a treatment with a fungicide, then to plant it in perlite, then I water a little bit with this same fungicide, not much and then I place the little pot in a plastic bag, well lighted and heat. In general it works well.


  • 8 years ago

    Thank you, Béatrice and Pavel, for your advices! I don't have a fungicide because I couldn't find anything suitable in the garden centres when I looked for it two years ago. I tried sulfur but it didn't work. Previcur energy is only sold to professionals in Germany. But since I have all the bulbs in my home I prefer staying without fungicides anyway. I will use vermiculite and hope. I managed to get two bulblets from a nearly rotten bulb by twin scaling two years ago, maybe I'm lucky again.

    Would you recommend hot water treatment before or is it too dangerous because the bulb is so small?

  • 8 years ago
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    Hi Anja,

    I think the hot water treatment may be a bit too much for such a small bulb and you may end up cooking the poor little thing. Instead of a chemical fungicide, you could always apply powdered cinnamon as an organic/natural fungicide.

  • 8 years ago
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    Have you tried Cinnamon ?
    The Cinnamon works good with some fungal problems

  • 8 years ago

    Thank you, Fred and Luca! I applied cinnamon on the bulb. It is now sitting in moist vermicultie on the heating pad.

    I read somewhere that cinnamon may inhibit rooting, that's why I didn't apply it to the basal plate. Do you know something about it?

  • 8 years ago

    I know someone use cinnamon as as a rooting agent ....

  • 8 years ago

    turmeric also works in lieu of cinnamon

  • 8 years ago

    I have used cinnamon extensively, and although I can’t say anything either way on the rooting issue, it works very well as a fungicide. I had to aggressively cut back a couple bulbs that had red blotch starting to get into their necks. I spread a layer of cinnamon on all exposed cut tissue, and they survived and are doing well now. I use the cheap stuff from Walmart.

    I had the same thing happen to me, Anja. I unfortunately lost the bulb. And of course, it was a rare one that I may not be able to replace! I’d do what Patel suggested - but don’t put it inside a bag where it will stay wet, because most likely the rot will continue if it is not allowed to dry out. I think it can still be saved at this point though, don’t give up!

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