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where to put baby grand piano?

8 years ago
We have baby grand piano and unfurnished living room, completely open on one side with large widow opposite, blank wall on piano side, and working gas fireplace flanked by wood built ins opposite. There’s a heat vent on piano wall towards room opening, so we can’t put sofa there. Want to maximize seating. Piano treble clef where it opens needs to face out into room and not be near vent or too much direct sunlight. What about the configuration on right? As it is we have piano hogging up space on the one blank wall. Decorator said faux pas to put piano as I did, and it should be on angle (as is now) but that just seems to hog up too much room, hence less seating, right? I did see pics of piano online as I have it laid out....does my layout work? Thank you all!

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  • 8 years ago

    Looks reasonable to me. You might pull the two sofas? Closer together to put them within reach of the coffee table, and anchor the whole seating area with a rug large enough for the front legs of the upholstered pieces at a minimum can fit on the rug. Looks like the piano player is facing the room, which is good.

  • 8 years ago
    Thank you so much!
  • 8 years ago

    I agree with saypoint.

  • 8 years ago
    Thank you so much! Guess I have to insist with decorator who insists piano should be on an angle
  • 8 years ago

    Hmmm...the location is good but I do think the piano/bench should be at a little angle. More like the bench kitty corner (a little). Just enough to look angled instead of straight against the wall/window.

  • 8 years ago

    You can always move stuff around later if you don’t like the way it is working. None of it’s nailed down. When it’s on an angle, is the pianist facing guests or gazing off to the far side of the room where no one is sitting? Does she have a good reason for wanting it that way?

  • 8 years ago
    Thank you so much! That is an option that’s safe for piano ...decorator thinks must be at angle but then seat would face window slightly not room ...?
  • 8 years ago
    Saypoint, he thinks grand piano should make a statement and be at angle rather than flush with wall
    But then it’s hogging space ....
    Pianist could see into room if turning head to right. If looking straight, player would be looking out window...
    I think the feng shui better with my back to the wall....
  • 8 years ago

    A grand piano of any size ought to be placed so that when the top is open, the opening faces the center of the room for best sound dispersion. Also I agree that it should be placed at a slight angle, not straight to wall. And, for pity's sake, do not let the sunlight from the large widow shine on the finish!!

  • 8 years ago

    Your designer is right; the piano should be at an angle and open into the room. The way you have it in your photo is correct. How many do you want to seat here?

  • 8 years ago

    Ignore all the foofy crap in the photo below, but look at the furniture arrangement with the piano, sofa, and chairs in relation to the fireplace.

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  • 8 years ago

    The problem with pianos is they are large and they need to be pulled away from walls and corners to a degree that it gets them more toward the center of the room, so they end up taking over the entire space and your living room becomes a piano room. So in this case, decorating wise I see you only have two choices: it can be where it is (which is more technically correct in that when you walk into the space you can see the keyboard) or turn it around and put the bench in the corner (where you have that little picture hanging) at an angle so that when someone is playing they are looking into the room and that large window is on their left. Then you will have to figure out the furniture to go around whatever configuration you choose.

  • 8 years ago
    Thx for feedback! To address questions, Want to seat At least five. Seems there’s two —strong—opinions Re placement, whether angled or not ...About the light: window faces east gets sun in am; have hunter Douglas silhouette shades that can be closed at in early am when sun rises....is that good enough to be protective of finish? (This is why I initially put piano where it is—away from fire, vents, window....)
  • 8 years ago
    Cpaul1, thank you—explained clearly though the second choice seems the piano would open to a wall, which isn’t sound optimal—unless you mean just sliding it down more towards the corner? That I think is the best option space wise... then might not fit two sofas UNLESS get rid of console table behind sofa on right so the sofa on right is moved back more, allowing space for clearance of wall sofa....
  • 8 years ago
    Also maybe instead of big sofa against wall, two chairs ? Or arm chair? Next to side table? Might not look as full; would be balanced?
  • 8 years ago

    Can we see a photo taken from the window to the stairs? Have you considered placing the piano where the stack of boxes is, changing the angle so the keyboard points to the fireplace like an arrow? It could make a dramatic entry way into the room and open the window end for your sofas to sit in an "L" around the coffee table. A pair of chairs and a small game table might be nice in the open floor right of the fireplace.


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  • 8 years ago

    This arrangement gives you five seats (though with the dreaded loveseat), puts the piano in the best position for its health, and gives a reasonable clearance to get to the seating:

    I assumed a room at 16' square.

  • 8 years ago
    I'm not a pro but we have owned a baby grand piano and it's hard to find the right angle. The picture you have here - is it taken from the entrance into this room? If so. I can see the piano angled so that if someone is sitting at the bench their back isn't toward the entrance. I would try and move it a little more around so the bench is more toward the inside corner and you see more of the piano side from the entrance, if that makes sense.
  • 8 years ago
    Iheart6 if I understand correctly, seems like you’re agreeing with cpaul1’s second option, with bench in corner of room, catty corner at wall? This would mean piano opens to wall side on left and that’s not good for sound, apparently. Also agree cpaul1 good to see keys when you walk in. Thank you so much groveraxle for pic. I plan to measure room and post. My ONLY concern with this layout is it seems there’s wasted space in corner—maybe game table would fit there? (Love that idea Decoenthusiaste —Tysm for the pics-gorgeous job!)
    I can post pic from window side but the concern with the arrow pointing to fireplace paint is the sound goes out into the hallway and up the stairs—can send pic—thank you so much.
    Really would love game table! Where’d you get your chess set and game table?
  • 8 years ago
    So to address questions: see attached from vantage of window looking out towards central stairs and front door; and pic of piano wall, which is 16.42 feet. Window wall is 17.58 feet, from fireplace wall. So 16x16 was excellent estimate!
    Given that the fourth wall opens to upstairs, don’t think placing piano as arrow to fireplace at entry is optimal cuz sound will travel out of room and upstairs.
  • 8 years ago

    If the piano was only for show or display, arranging it to give the most visual impact would be the right choice. Since it's clearly meant to be enjoyed as a musical instrument the best choice is to arrange for sound quality and the comfort of the pianist. It's a baby grand piano, it will command the room no matter where you put it.

  • 8 years ago
    Lindsey I agree. Aunt Thelma you describe the pic I uploaded and what I wanted. I’m still thinking if it should be flush in corner or at slight angle.
    There’s really two issues as I see it: if flush in corner then more room for seating. But playing is more solitary since not much rom for others to “gather round” see, and sing, etc.
    Now that I’m thinking of all issues might be optimal to *slightly* angle in corner. But the shades? It’s east side of house—gets sunrise— if closed, piano protected enough? One site I went to on piano care/placement/acoustics actually has a piano
    slightly in front of window! FYI site below. Also for completeness the fireplace side. You can see the built-ins have cabinets below, so we need some clearance there to open (doors are each 21.5”)
    http://www.total-piano-care.com/piano-room-placement.html

    http://www.total-piano-care.com/piano-room-placement.html
  • 8 years ago
    Groveraxle just saw your photo —that’s perfect placement imho in relation to furniture and fireplAce. Great you have the little recessed alcove there, and drapes closed during sunny times protects piano, I would think. exactly what I had in mind of piano in relation to corner-optimal for sound. EXCEPT sofas in my case would face piano so pianist is included in conversation etc if desired andppl can see pianist. (Not backs of sofas facing pianist)
  • 8 years ago
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    I like groveraxle's idea for placement. Even though the player and bench would be closer to hall/stairwell, the sound will becoming from the front part of the piano, which is well away from the stairs. And it's a small room for a grand piano. I think there will be plenty of sound in the room.

    I would think about a nice sectional, (not a big fluffy clunky one) across the window wall and down toward the piano and then a chair, or maybe two, with their backs to the stairs facing the windows.

    I like the curves in this one, similar to the piano:

  • 8 years ago
    Btw groveraxle re: your excellent layout, there’s heat vent on blank wall right about where midbody of piano is—it’s a few inches from floor and 43”-55” from room opening...if that’s ok then I would love it but put the armchair in empty corner or two smaller chairs with chess table? Also sofas need to be smaller or away from fireplace wall to allow for opening cupboards ....
  • 8 years ago

    Hi Raya - I'm suggesting your piano be angled allowing the lid when opened to open into the living space. This would put your bench more toward the left corner. Beautiful room, by the way :)

  • 8 years ago

    Per Groveraxle's layout in diagram: Can move love seat at an angle to face piano when playing for guests and leave it facing large sofa for conversation other times?

  • 8 years ago
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    You can get a vent deflector to put on the vent, which will keep the air from blowing on the piano, if you decide that's the best placement.

  • 8 years ago
    So olychak I agree it’s a small room, but it’s only place to put piano... sectional is interesting idea—gorgeous pic— thank you; agree with the lines design element. Love groveraxle ‘s idea but spoke to piano tuner and cannot because there’s heat vent there; unsafe for piano. Iheart6, piano tuner said either your idea (2) as decorator originally suggested, or catty corner (3) as also suggested here. Those are only safe positions for baby grand; can’t do (1) I’d originally wanted bc belly of piano exposed to windows and temperature fluctuations. Personally, I think (3) is isolating and you can’t see Piano’s best side, so it has to be (2). Wish I could do 4 as groveraxle suggested bc that’s optimal imho for placement socially and acoustically good but unsafe for baby. If I did 4 if there was no heat vent, I’d rearrange as burdette1020 suggested. Thank you everyone so much!!
  • 8 years ago

    I'd just like to say that, having lived with a parlor grand for many years, (1) you can hear it just fine with the lid closed, so don't let that consideration (pointing the lid in the perfect direction) boss you around unless you're giving recitals, and (2) you're gonna hear it upstairs, don't fool yourself. So arrange it in a way that makes the room work.

  • 8 years ago

    In your last drawing, I'd certainly rather sit at a piano laid out like #3, and it keeps the lid farther from the windows. Harder to arrange furniture around though?

    Also, I wouldn't rule out #4 -- passing by the piano frequently tended to make it inviting more often, and thus I played more with the keyboard pointing at a hallway in our house... (plus, see my point (2) above, heh.)

  • 8 years ago

    How much $$ to move the vent?

  • 8 years ago

    I wouldn't consider putting anything else like a game table in here. The piano will take over the room, and five seats will be more than enough to fill the rest of it.

  • 8 years ago

    Something's gotta give in this room. You might have to decommission the cabinets on the built-ins; use them to store your Christmas ornaments or something that you rarely use.


  • 8 years ago
    Groveraxle Tysm that’s it—the first pic so baby’s end in corner, not window, and there’s room to gather round piano. Does not space before piano look really empty tho?!?
    Re: someone suggested moving vent? Out of the question..
  • 8 years ago

    No, the space before the piano does not look empty! It's only 4' wide, a nice walkway. There is a beautiful focal point at the end of the walkway. It is the perfect amount of negative space. Hang art on the left hand wall.

  • 8 years ago

    Raya, my vote is a good balance between #2 & 3. With the piano moved in that direction, your piano will looked balanced.

  • 8 years ago
    Olychick Tysm for the vent idea—never occurred to me. Iheart6, how can you do a cross between 2&3?? I don’t understand...
    Grover your layout is awesome thank you so much! Are you an interior designer?!
  • 8 years ago
    Thank you Lindsey —I’m reassured you need some negative space—-the curvy layout of furniture Groveraxle did makes the walk less of a straight hallway to piano....
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    8 years ago

    It looks as if you have a fairly large entrance hall. I'd put it right up against the staircase. It's a great place for a piano if one entertains - hire a pianist and music will be heart through the first floor. And it will solve your LR problem. I grew up for many years with a baby grand (until owner wanted it back and we bought a spinet - all we could afford), and it was in a small apt. The LR had a sofa, a club chair and a small wing chair. That was it.

  • 8 years ago

    Raya - a cross between 2&3 is angling bench (if at all possible) between the two. In 3 it looks odd in the way the nose of the piano comes into the room, now I understand it's just a pencil drawing ;). I'm sure you'll find the balance :)

  • 8 years ago

    ...but if I had to choose based on your layout, 3 for me.

  • 7 years ago

    I'm on here trying to figure out what to do with my own piano in my new house. I noticed acm's comment about don't worry which way the lid is pointing--the sound will go everywhere. That is the truth! It is for aesthetics that you want the lid to open to the room. I personally would rather look out the window while I play piano than to look to the people in the room.


    About the heating register... You don't want the heat being blown on the piano--true! What my Registered Piano Technician told me was to take the register cover off and cover the bottom with plastic wrap to seal it off. As long as you only do this one one register in the house, it should not place too much wear and tear on your furnace.

  • 4 years ago

    How large is the piano? What was the final layout?